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    Default sap to syrup ratio seems to be off

    Hi i have boiled roughly 800 gallons and only have finished 8.5 gallons of syrup. This seems to be way off from the 86/ sugar content rule. My syrup has averaged 2.58% sugar. I am using a calibrated refratometer and have cheked it to RO to make sure it reads zero on RO. Am I missing something or why would my sap to syrup ratio be this low. I have been finishing to 86 brixs
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    I think you mean 68 brix, not 86 brix. If not, well there's your problem.
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    I sure hope that was a typo, 86 yikes !!
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    I think he is talking about the 86 divided by the sugar percentage rule, to give you the ratio.
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    yes i was talking about 86 divided by sugar content. This should give you how many gallons of sap will equal one gallon of syrup. I finish to 66 brix
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    Somethin ain't right here..should be over 20 gals. Edit: Actually a little over 23 gals
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    Are you keeping the right ro stream?
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    How much do you think is in your evaporator? I'm not sure how big a half pint is but unless you boil it all down you won't get 20 gallons I'd say you might get a quick possibly big draw next time. I prefer the rule of 87 rather than 86.
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    Jared

    Sugar is sugar if you have 2.58% sugar then you have gotten 20 gallons. I would start looking for where you are loosing your sugar, Better check your RO you are most lickly loosing it there. Check your your Permeate water. Take a gallon boil it down and see if you have sugar there. i bet your problem is there.



    Ray

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    Quote Originally Posted by rjoly View Post
    Jared

    Sugar is sugar if you have 2.58% sugar then you have gotten 20 gallons. I would start looking for where you are loosing your sugar, Better check your RO you are most lickly loosing it there. Check your your Permeate water. Take a gallon boil it down and see if you have sugar there. i bet your problem is there.



    Ray
    Excuse me but I don't know what you are talking about sugar is sugar I was asking how much syrup could possibly still be in his evaporator if he was continuously boiling he might put in 800 gallons worth of raw sap he won't get all 20 worth of syrup unless he boils it completly down. Idk about you but most people do not boil it all down on the first boil or maybe it wasn't the first boil I guess that wasn't clear. Only after the pans are sweetened do you start to get close to what you put in that day. But like I said I have no idea how much a half pint would hold. For instance my evaporator holds about 30-35 gallons worth of syrup I won't get out until the last boil. Sugar is sugar whatever thanks for the clarification.
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