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    I totally understand the desire to save money...this is not a spot that I would suggest saving money.

    and tap counts and nearly every evening when the wet line freezes the dry line start running. I do have a different environment since I have a brook that runs less then 100' from the sugar house that freezes the mains before the bush freezes.

    This happens in many bushes that the low area freezes before the upper warm sections chill for the night.

    One could place supports more frequently and have a support that will hold the dry line at a uniform height above the wet line and pull the dry line tight to limit saps; but remember that if there is any sap, then sap will pool in that spot and block vac transfer.

    One thing I notice of systems that have more than one main on a support wire is the mains become twisted and pools occur. I am sure this was not a designed occurrence but an issue that just happened.

    Weight your options and see if there is another place to save the cost of the wire.

    Good Luck!

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    I guess i'll run the second wire
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    You will only be saving about $30 in wire if you go for 1 wire in that first 700'.
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    Not to beat a dead horse here, but if you are running that dry line in 11/2 then I would strongly suggest that you double wire it....it weighs a ton and sags something fierce...good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by morningstarfarm View Post
    Not to beat a dead horse here, but if you are running that dry line in 11/2 then I would strongly suggest that you double wire it....it weighs a ton and sags something fierce...good luck
    That or support it every 10 ft.
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    I have a hole bunch of t-posts laying around. Its just a pain in the *** spot for wire. Its in a crick bed and there is barley any tie backs and there is a lot of tight s-shaped bends in it.
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    For years lapeirre did installations with 2in pvc dry line and 1 1/4 wet line all on a 5/16 cable side tied with 9ga soft wire. I have installed some this way and rebuilt some. These were very good and high preforming systems. Still posting every 5 paces, but very strong.
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    if it helps, string the wire, then put the tubing on, then sidetie it. I only do it when the lines are high in the air though. go double wire you won't regret it.
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