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    Default When should you drain your pans in cold temps?

    Just did my first boil with my new 2x6 Lapierre with 5" raised flues and am not sure if I should drain my pans. The next few days the temps are going to be mid 20's during the day to low teens at night. Sweetened the pans and ran out of sap. Still have 2 inches in front and back pan. Should I drain them or let them sit?
    Total Newbie 2012 Not a great year to start, but had fun anyway!!!

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    2013 Hopefully getting smarter.
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    About 13 gals finished

    2014
    220 to 225 taps on tubing and buckets
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    I have never drained my pans after getting them sweet. However I never started without enough to boil at least 3 full hours hard. If you boiled that long, you have enough sweet to protect the pans. They will get some slush on top but will not freeze solid. However, when that happens, I do start a small fire and let it burn out each day. I also don't leave 2" deep in my pans, since I learned how much evaporation occurs after the last fueling. I try to leave it so I am between 1" down to 1/2" in the pans.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    I expect 12 below tonight. Just went out and burned a jug box in my arch. You have enough depth that you could light a small fire with some kindling and warm the pans up a bit. In 60 plus years I never remember emptying pans and never had a problem.

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    My pans are still cooling and the sap temp is still around 85. I ran it for about 3 hours. 2 hours hard after it warmed up. My back pan has about 1 inch above the flues, front pan 2 inches. Should I drop the back pan below the flues or leave it above? I will check them later and might light a small fire during the day tomorrow. Thanks.
    Total Newbie 2012 Not a great year to start, but had fun anyway!!!

    50 taps on tubing and buckets
    4 Pan Block Arch
    About 4 1/2 gals finished


    2013 Hopefully getting smarter.
    100 taps on tubing and buckets
    5 Pan Block Arch
    About 13 gals finished

    2014
    220 to 225 taps on tubing and buckets
    2x6 Lapierre raised flue
    small shed turned into sugar shack
    So much to do!!!

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    You will be fine for tonight. Leave the back pan level above the flues. Ice floats so you will have a layer on top when the flues themselves are not frozen. Put a small fire in tomorrow. Worst it will do is lower the color slightly.

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    when a cold snap is expected, I run my pans down as low as possible and let it freeze into a block and never had any problem in 25 years
    2012: Probably 750 gravity taps and 50 buckets.

    600 gal stainless milk tank.
    2 - 100 gallon stock tanks
    one 30 gal barrel
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    3' x 10' Waterloo Raised Flue wood fired evaporator w/ open pans.

    12" x 20" Filter Canner

    Sawmill next to sugarhouse solves my sugarwood problem

    Gather with GMC 3500 2wd Pickup w/ 425 gallon Plastic Tank.

    Been tapping here in Lyman NH since 1989 but I've been sugaring since 8 years old in 1968.

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    Thanks for the info. I have a big learning curve ahead. I need more boil time to get used to how this evaporator works. I can't wait for the season to really start.
    Total Newbie 2012 Not a great year to start, but had fun anyway!!!

    50 taps on tubing and buckets
    4 Pan Block Arch
    About 4 1/2 gals finished


    2013 Hopefully getting smarter.
    100 taps on tubing and buckets
    5 Pan Block Arch
    About 13 gals finished

    2014
    220 to 225 taps on tubing and buckets
    2x6 Lapierre raised flue
    small shed turned into sugar shack
    So much to do!!!

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    I can say its only my 6th season but I have never drained my pans. I put a small electric heater in the firebox on low for real cold nights and it works well. Matter of fax its in there right now since its -10 here right now in crown point ny
    100 buckets for 09
    180 buckets for 2010
    300 on gravity and 300 buckets for 2011
    1000 total for 2012
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    snowmobile and grizzly 660 four wheeler
    8 beagles an 1 aussie shepherd for company
    and last a wonderful companion that lets me do all the stuff i love (maple sugaring) and doesnt ask questions!!!!!!!!!!!


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    If it is going to get below 15, I drain my pans. I always think "It'll be ok", but then I chicken out. It only takes 15 mins. I am not a big risk taker. A 2x6 is alot easier to do than some of the rigs. "When in doubt..Drain 'er out"
    Regards,
    Woody
    Worth Township, Centre County, PA
    2012- New A & A metal 2X6 raised flue Evaporator
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