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    Default New to tubing drop line question

    Hey,

    I took the plunge today and now own 500 ft of semi rigid 5/16 tubing from FW Webb, 100 taps and 100 t connectors. I hope to set up a small sugar bush in tubing this year. My plan is four lateral lines into a barrel. Here is the question:

    The semi rigid tubing is . . . well . . . semi rigid. So if I make the drop lines from that stuff, won't it be too stiff? Was I supposed to get some other tubing for the drop lines?
    Urban Mapler

    2014 upgraded to an antique leader 2 by 8 drop flue pan! Yikes, I need more sap.

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    Mcgeec ,you will be fine with semi rigid ,just make sure you cut your drops at least 24" I cut mine at 30" so they will have plenty of flex. I think you will find out that you might be a little short on tubing for 100 taps on a 500 ft roll ,my experience is close to 10' of tubing for every tap if Im lucky. Good Luck ,Al
    2011 2x6 leader and 125 taps and 30 buckets
    2012 another 200 taps on line and an addition to the sugar house
    2013 hoping to hit 400 taps on line and 25 buckets and adding a sap Guzzler
    2014 Brand new D&G 3x10 traditional evaporator and going to 450
    2015 D&G 3x10 and kicking the door on 500 on line
    My wife Marci who puts up with me buying "Maple Stuff"
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    First off, how much do I love mapletrader?

    Second, thanks for the advice. I will go with 30 inches.

    And thanks for the heads up on the capacity.

    Chip
    Urban Mapler

    2014 upgraded to an antique leader 2 by 8 drop flue pan! Yikes, I need more sap.

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    Glad I could help,you will find there are a lot of great people here who will gladly help ,Al
    2011 2x6 leader and 125 taps and 30 buckets
    2012 another 200 taps on line and an addition to the sugar house
    2013 hoping to hit 400 taps on line and 25 buckets and adding a sap Guzzler
    2014 Brand new D&G 3x10 traditional evaporator and going to 450
    2015 D&G 3x10 and kicking the door on 500 on line
    My wife Marci who puts up with me buying "Maple Stuff"
    1 65 yr old father inlaw who is priceless
    And the good Lord above Amen
    Lakeview Blueberries/Maple Syrup on Facebook

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    Urban Mapler,

    I also started out with a 500' roll of the semi rigid in my first year with about 40 taps on a 1/2" mainline all gravity. Once I made up the drop lines I was surprised how much tubing I went through and I didn't make the drops anywhere near long enough. I was basing the drop length on the size of my trees and figured I could make them either 12" or 18" and have more tubing for laterals. Don't skimp on the length of your drops. This all came down in year two and I chalked it up to a learning experience in the real world. I think I even had to go back and get another roll if not two of tubing to just finish this set-up all to come down 10 months later. So much good information and resourceful people on hear, I guess I just need to learn the hard way as a newbie. Best of luck! I think the best piece of advice that reoccurs on hear all the time is to do it right the first time.
    12th Year "skip gen" Maple Producer
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    1-'09: 4 gal stock pot, fire pit, 3 taps
    2-'10: Pots, Kitchen Stove & Sap Selling ~110 taps
    3-'11: 8x12 Shack, 146 taps (100 buckets/46 gravity), 16"x77" evaporator (2 flat pans)
    4-'12: 8x16 expanded shack, 147 taps, Leader 2x8 dropped flu
    5-'13: Added 10x20 wood shed, 1st yr on vac
    6-'14: 175 taps, Zero Tank
    7-'15: 230 taps, H20 jacket canner, Vintage Ski Doo Elan
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    When I started out I measured everything meaning my mainline length then got rough measurements of lateral line lengths from the mainline to my end trees for the lats. I ended up with 1300 feet of mainline and 3000 feet of lateral,line. That didn't include the drops. I bought max flow grip and flex for my lateral lime and drops
    FIRST GENERATION SUGARMAKER
    First boil 2/22/2012! Went Pefect!
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    1,000' of mainline
    2012 - 105 taps on gravity, 12 sap sacks.
    2013 - 175 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks = 200 taps for 2013! Second year.
    2014 - 250 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks
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    I've used flex for drops, but have gone back to semi rigid for everything. It works fine. In my early years I made my drops 24", then I went to 28", now I use 32". At this time I plan to continue at 32", but who knows, 36 could be even better at some point.
    Dave Klish, I recently bought a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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    Thanks all.

    Joust, let me think through this. I expect to do just 24 taps on tubing this year. I bought 100 because the bag had 100 in it. So if I have 25 2.5 foot long drop lines, that makes 62.5 feet of drop line. Leaving 437.5 for lateral line.

    Assuming mistakes I think I will be lucky to have two 200 foot lateral lines with 12 drops each.

    Thanks again.



    Quote Originally Posted by Joust7.1 View Post
    Urban Mapler,

    I also started out with a 500' roll of the semi rigid in my first year with about 40 taps on a 1/2" mainline all gravity. Once I made up the drop lines I was surprised how much tubing I went through and I didn't make the drops anywhere near long enough. I was basing the drop length on the size of my trees and figured I could make them either 12" or 18" and have more tubing for laterals. Don't skimp on the length of your drops. This all came down in year two and I chalked it up to a learning experience in the real world. I think I even had to go back and get another roll if not two of tubing to just finish this set-up all to come down 10 months later. So much good information and resourceful people on hear, I guess I just need to learn the hard way as a newbie. Best of luck! I think the best piece of advice that reoccurs on hear all the time is to do it right the first time.
    Urban Mapler

    2014 upgraded to an antique leader 2 by 8 drop flue pan! Yikes, I need more sap.

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    Watch out that FW Webb does not give you Rigid instead of Semi-Rigid. They had a bunch mis-labeled and I got 8 rolls of Rigid a couple days ago when in fact I ordered Semi. Now I gotta go back to swap them out. Moral of the story is don't send the wife to pick up maple stuff at a non-maple place and expect to actually get what you need.
    More taps than the year before. Bigger shack than the year before. Leader Patriot 2x6 w/hood. 3-post Dolly, but still too much sap and not enough wood or time.
    www.wickedsappy.com

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    Hey,

    How do you know if it's rigid? Maybe mine is!


    Quote Originally Posted by BlueberryHill View Post
    Watch out that FW Webb does not give you Rigid instead of Semi-Rigid. They had a bunch mis-labeled and I got 8 rolls of Rigid a couple days ago when in fact I ordered Semi. Now I gotta go back to swap them out. Moral of the story is don't send the wife to pick up maple stuff at a non-maple place and expect to actually get what you need.
    Urban Mapler

    2014 upgraded to an antique leader 2 by 8 drop flue pan! Yikes, I need more sap.

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