Thanks Ed, I enjoyed the visit and very much appreciate all the info, you have a nice setup I can only dream of ! I may get there in 10 yrs !!. And I am already looking at the rest of the place to setup more lines and move the sap tank. Boiled friday and finished sat . I checked today and a about 5gl I guess as long as the sap is not bad I will go with it,though this last batch is dark and strong had the wife sample and she thought it was good,maybe I am getting picky but I almost tossed it due to the smell and strong taste. cya