Thad, your right, for some of these guys it isn't all about the $. Its bragging rights. For example, I have heard from a lot of people that when a sugarmaker leases land up north say franklin county compared to say leasing land in rutland county is totally different in $ per tap per year. I have heard numerous of times where up north they pay up to 3 to 4 dollars a tap. Down here it ranges from .50cents to at most $1.25 which I know nobody that pays $1.25 down here. The most I have ever payed is .75. I know a fair amount of guys that pay .50. You can maybe kind of compare. It is a lot different down here than up where you are. Again I am happy for the $ you are making. If I payed >50 cents a gallon for sap I would have to upgrade everything because all of the guys around me would sell there rigs and just sell me there sap. You got me thinking spud. I could corner the market down here in all of the stores with my syrup.