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    Quote Originally Posted by mol1jb View Post
    If I were to take a line off of my AOF/AUF blower to power a bubbler would to be necessary to put a filter on that line? Using a bouncy house blower for AOF. Blower is in the attic of kitchen.
    As long as the air you're pumping into your syrup is free of any fumes or dust etc, you should be fine. You probably won't know until you try it.
    I'm not sure what Russ at Red Roof Maples uses, he has certainly paved the way on this forum regarding bubblers, and I'm sure he makes great syrup.

    The H20 unit has 3 filters to clean the air. Outermost is a standard pleated filter much like on a small furnace; the inner two are charcoal.
    My thoughts are that if you're certain the air is clean and you're not adding any nasty stuff, you should be fine. On the other hand; H20 is selling a product with little control over the installation so they went the extra mile with filters and all stainless construction.

    As this is one piece of equipment that could really mess things up; for me going with a professionally made commercial unit was a no-brainer!
    It's not like making your own arch or an RO, we're talking about injecting air directly into your finished product.
    As a side benefit, I can Tee off the main air pipe and add AOF or AUF at a later date. The blower is that powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mol1jb View Post
    If I were to take a line off of my AOF/AUF blower to power a bubbler would to be necessary to put a filter on that line? Using a bouncy house blower for AOF. Blower is in the attic of kitchen.
    I'm not sure if a bouncy house blower will make enough pressure. I tried using a squirrel cage blower and it moved a lot of air but didn't make enough pressure to force the air through the bubbler tubes. I use a small shop vac that I bought just for the bubbler and it works good.
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    Here's what I came up with for my birch syrup.
    I needed to maintain a temperature under 200 F to not burn the sugars in birch. I used a Bucket Head wet/dry vac. The hose was placed on the blower side and ran it through a new hose so I could run the blower outside of the shack to keep the noise down. A fan speed control was used to maintain the proper temperatures. I ran the evaporator as hot as I could yet the sap maintained a temp of 190 F with the fan speed control.
    I found out last year I needed stainless steel to do birch because the copper had a chemical reaction with the birch sap and oxidized in my pan and turned the sap green.
    This year I used stainless BBQ burners and shower/bath safety bars for my aerator. Works great!
    I actually increase my evopration rate this way than what I was doing with maple without the aerator. I live off grid in northern MN so it costs more money to evaporate this way and will continue evaporating maple the traditional way. I get $300-$400 per gallon from birch syrup and will use my solar/battery bank to make birch. So far we are at 13 gallons of birch and still cooking

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    2019- 180 maple taps, 20 gallons of finished syrup.
    ~ 160 birch taps, 13 finished gallons of syrup.

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    What do you think about making the manifold out of pvc and the take offs copper. That would help keep the cost down and make it easier to build for someone like me with no soldering experience
    2019 - 150 taps 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 taps 3/16 hybrid (shurflo), 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons
    2017 - 60 taps 3/16 gravity, oil tank arck w/ steam pans - 12.5 gallons

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    Quote Originally Posted by mol1jb View Post
    What do you think about making the manifold out of pvc and the take offs copper. That would help keep the cost down and make it easier to build for someone like me with no soldering experience
    The manifold would melt if you made it out of pvc. My pvc supply pipes which are outside of the pans are warped from the heat that rises off of the side of the arch and pans.

    Soldering isn't that hard to do. Just make sure everything is clean and dry before you start. Start with something easy, like an elbow or tee and by the time you get to the difficult stuff you'll be a pro.
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    Algier 2x6 evaporator, W F Mason arch
    Lapierre 250 Turbo RO machine
    SP-22 vacuum pump
    1930 Ford Model AA Doodlebug tractor
    1971 IH 454 52hp diesel tractor
    A couple of Honda 4 wheelers
    About a dozen chainsaws and no chickens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Lampron View Post
    The manifold would melt if you made it out of pvc. My pvc supply pipes which are outside of the pans are warped from the heat that rises off of the side of the arch and pans.

    Soldering isn't that hard to do. Just make sure everything is clean and dry before you start. Start with something easy, like an elbow or tee and by the time you get to the difficult stuff you'll be a pro.
    Thanks for the info
    2019 - 150 taps 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 taps 3/16 hybrid (shurflo), 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons
    2017 - 60 taps 3/16 gravity, oil tank arck w/ steam pans - 12.5 gallons

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    Would 3/4 inch be large enough for the manifold? I would like to do 1/2 inch branches. Larger than 3/4 makes fittings expensive.
    2019 - 150 taps 3/16 shurflo, Deer Run 125 dolly RO - 73 gallons
    2018 - 120 taps 3/16 hybrid (shurflo), 2x6 raised flue w/hood, homemade arch w/ AUF & AOF - 34.5 gallons
    2017 - 60 taps 3/16 gravity, oil tank arck w/ steam pans - 12.5 gallons

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    Quote Originally Posted by mol1jb View Post
    Would 3/4 inch be large enough for the manifold? I would like to do 1/2 inch branches. Larger than 3/4 makes fittings expensive.
    I made mine with 1" manifolds and 3/8" tubes. The 1" manifolds transition into a 1 1/2" PVC air supply pipe. I think 3/4" manifolds will work but think that 1/2" tubes, if that's what you're referring to as branches, will be too big.
    Russ

    "Red Roof Maples" Where the term "boiling soda" was first introduced to the maple producing world!

    Algier 2x6 evaporator, W F Mason arch
    Lapierre 250 Turbo RO machine
    SP-22 vacuum pump
    1930 Ford Model AA Doodlebug tractor
    1971 IH 454 52hp diesel tractor
    A couple of Honda 4 wheelers
    About a dozen chainsaws and no chickens

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    The important thing is to have a way adjust the amount of air, either with varying the motor speed or choking off the airflow. With my flat pans, I kept the fan speed to where the sap maintained 180-190F for my needs. The temperature of incoming air of the fan is going to be a daily variable factor. In northern Minnesota, that can be hourly. Once the sap temps drop below 170 F, the amount of steam drops significantly.
    2016- 32 taps, 3 1/2 gallons
    2017- 150 taps, 13 gallons after building an evaporator
    2018- goal is 240+ taps. 20+ gallons.
    2018 Reality- 235 taps, 5 gallons of syrup. Average 50 birch taps and 3 gallons of syrup.
    2019- 180 maple taps, 20 gallons of finished syrup.
    ~ 160 birch taps, 13 finished gallons of syrup.

    Latitude 47.278150

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