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    Default Maple Tap Act

    Ok I read the skinny on the Gov. Website about the Proposed Tap Act here in NY. It is Basically A grant for a study to allow producers to gain access to more trees. Maybe even state lands which I really doubt knowing NYS track records in the woods. Seems to me this study $$ some 20 Million would be better spent on grants to small sugar bush operators helping them to establish a bush and production equipment. From what I read this money will be spent on a study not on a solid means to help boost production. Please weigh in on this if I'm wrong?
    Tap'em if ya got'em.

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    Well the DEC has put out a couple of small sugarbushes for bid. In our area, it was one with only 140 taps in it. Way too small for me to bother with. And you will have to jump through a million hoops to tap it. I called up our Regional office and talked to the man in charge of the program here. My biggest concern with their requirements is that basically you will have to make the wood s accessible to to people walking the woods during the off season. Which means raising the mainlines 8 feet high every 100 feet and taking down the lateral lines. Not worth my time. Also you would have to maintain any roads or laoding areas by placing shale in any areas that may be daamged due to trucking, chainsaw safety course certificates if you need to tun a saw, documentation of insurance and such on workers, and many more that i can't remember right now. Just look it up under Lands and Recreation at the DEC website.

    While talking with the fellow at DEC, he said that he had to keep the site and resources accessible to everyone and make the State money. My response to that was that when the state has a lot logged off, the resource (the trees) are not accessible to anyone any longer. He really didn't have an answer to that. Any way, I didn't have any luck trying to get any bigger woods at this time.
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    Lew that sounds about right for NYSDEC make it so tough you won't bother with it. But in the same breath they ask why nobody wants to tap the land
    Tap'em if ya got'em.

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    Indeed, the money would be better spent by directly assisting with upgrades. There are plenty of trees out there that won't need state oversite, and plenty of landowners who could make a buck with either sugaring or rental to others. The hardware is expensive though, and most small producers expand or improve their operations on an out-of-pocket basis.

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    I run a snowmobile club and work with two DEC offices/ foresters. Even though they are next to each other they have different views and rules. There will be large sections of woods available. They offered logging in many different size lots in this area before. What many did was contract on adjoining tracks to make it large enough to make worth while.
    as for the chainsaw class...it is offered by CCE...Cornell Cooperative Extension and for snowmobile members thru NYSSA annually. I have been thru three of these classes and they are great! I have run saws for over 30 years and learn something new every class. Hans from Paul Smiths was the best instructor.
    As for the S of NY spending money wisely... have you ever seen a gov't program spend money as a farmer or business man would? For every $1 a person received there is $10 that was spent to get it to them. LOL.

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    Not to be negative, but the ratio may be closer to 20 to 1, where government spends $20 for every $1 that gets to the person or need!
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    In my opinion avoid any Gov. help and fund your own expansion. All the Gov. does is spend other peoples money.
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    Default Money = study +money=study= No money no results no product study it till we have no $

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnt sap View Post
    Ok I read the skinny on the Gov. Website about the Proposed Tap Act here in NY. It is Basically A grant for a study to allow producers to gain access to more trees. Maybe even state lands which I really doubt knowing NYS track records in the woods. Seems to me this study $$ some 20 Million would be better spent on grants to small sugar bush operators helping them to establish a bush and production equipment. From what I read this money will be spent on a study not on a solid means to help boost production. Please weigh in on this if I'm wrong?

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    So now a year has gone by, and I haven't heard a word about ANY of this. Have the frittered away the money doing a study? Has anyone been assisted by the TAP act? Has anyone heard from the State that there's a program of some sort running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Greer View Post
    So now a year has gone by, and I haven't heard a word about ANY of this. Have the frittered away the money doing a study? Has anyone been assisted by the TAP act? Has anyone heard from the State that there's a program of some sort running?
    As a New Yorker I'm proud to say that the Maple Tap Act was another huge success for New York State. It accomplished everything it was supposed to, stuff some very deep pockets of a very few. Hope you didn't think our State Government has received some sort of moral uplifting.

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