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    What if you don't do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by twitch View Post
    What if you don't do it
    Big Brother comes knocking. Then, the much feared "FDA Sugarhouse Cliff".
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeneralStark View Post
    Big Brother comes knocking. Then, the much feared "FDA Sugarhouse Cliff".
    LOL, not the feared Sugarhouse cliff
    2011 2x6 leader and 125 taps and 30 buckets
    2012 another 200 taps on line and an addition to the sugar house
    2013 hoping to hit 400 taps on line and 25 buckets and adding a sap Guzzler
    2014 Brand new D&G 3x10 traditional evaporator and going to 450
    2015 D&G 3x10 and kicking the door on 500 on line
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    I thinks this all about the big producers who can afford all these regulations trying to push out the mom and pop guys just like the big dairy farmers did
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    Yes thats it.... nothing to do with just the govt wanting their hand in everybodies cookie jar.
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    Its ALL ABOUT THE GOV ,wanting to stick there nose in ,its just a matter of all of us making sure that our equipment is were it should be ,and our product safe.This is were everyone from 10 taps to 10 thousand needs to just quit pointing fingers and get your equipment at the level the GOVT wants.
    Last edited by lakeview maple; 12-13-2012 at 08:48 PM.
    2011 2x6 leader and 125 taps and 30 buckets
    2012 another 200 taps on line and an addition to the sugar house
    2013 hoping to hit 400 taps on line and 25 buckets and adding a sap Guzzler
    2014 Brand new D&G 3x10 traditional evaporator and going to 450
    2015 D&G 3x10 and kicking the door on 500 on line
    My wife Marci who puts up with me buying "Maple Stuff"
    1 65 yr old father inlaw who is priceless
    And the good Lord above Amen
    Lakeview Blueberries/Maple Syrup on Facebook

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    Finally a clear definition from the FDA.

    9.14 Q: Are maple syrup producers “farms” and, thus, exempt from registering?

    A: The response to this question depends upon the activities of the maple syrup producer. The activities of maple syrup producers customarily consist of two types: gathering sap from sugar maple trees and concentrating the sap through the application of heat to make syrup. Gathering sap is "harvesting," which is included in the definition of farm (21 CFR 1.227(b)). The “farm” is exempt from registration. However, concentrating sugar maple sap by heating is a form of manufacturing/processing (21 CFR 1.227(b)). Accordingly, a facility that concentrates sugar maple sap is performing a manufacturing/processing activity and is required to be registered, unless all of the concentrated sap is consumed on the farm or another farm under the same ownership.

    So if you boil you must register.
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    15.3 Q: Most sugar makers in Massachusetts operate from their own property, on which their private residence is also located. Are these sugar makers required to register the facility that is on their property and used for sugar production?
    A: Under 21 CFR 1.227(b)(2), a private residence is not a "facility" and thus, is not required to be registered. A private residence must meet customary expectations for a private home and does not otherwise include commercial facilities in which a person also happens to reside. A private residence includes the parcel of real property on which the residence is located. Accordingly, if the sugar production occurs in the private home or in a detached building that meets customary expectations for use as part of the private home, such as a detached garage that has not been modified for manufacturing and processing so that it can no longer practically be used as customary for a garage, the home or building would not have to be registered. If, however, a separate building located on the real property of the private residence site is used as a sugar manufacturing or processing facility and does not have a use as customarily expected for a private residence, that facility must be registered, unless that facility qualifies for another exemption (e.g., as a retail facility; 21 CFR 1.227(b)(11)).
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    Accordingly, a facility that concentrates sugar maple sap is performing a manufacturing/processing activity and is required to be registered, unless all of the concentrated sap is consumed on the farm or another farm under the same ownership.

    So if you boil you must register.
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    So if I boil using 15 % red maple sap I don't need to register? Just sugar maple sap?
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    there you go tucker you found loophole all I have to know if find some more reds to tap lol

    Quote Originally Posted by tuckermtn View Post
    Accordingly, a facility that concentrates sugar maple sap is performing a manufacturing/processing activity and is required to be registered, unless all of the concentrated sap is consumed on the farm or another farm under the same ownership.

    So if you boil you must register.
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    http://www.fda.gov/Food/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/GuidanceDocuments/FoodDefenseandEmergencyResponse/ucm331959.htm?source=govdelivery

    So if I boil using 15 % red maple sap I don't need to register? Just sugar maple sap?
    Last edited by twitch; 12-14-2012 at 08:10 AM.
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    I just got an email stating the the FDA has extended the registration deadline until 1/31/13 because they were not ready until 10/22/12 to process, 3 weeks after the designated start date.
    Dave Klish, I recently ordered a 2x6 wood fired evaporator from A&A Sheet Metal which I will be converting to oil fired
    Now have solar, 2x6 finish pan, 5 bank 7x7 filter press, large water jacketed bottler, and tankless water heater.
    Recently bought another Gingerich RO, this one was a 125, but a second membrane was added thus is a 250, like I had.
    After running a 2x3, a 2x6, 3x8 tapping from 79 taps up to 1320 all woodfired, now I'm going to a 2x6 oil fired and a 200-425 taps.

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