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    Quote Originally Posted by SandMan View Post
    should have skipped the season.
    dollars and cents wise we should have skipped the season as well. Tapped 200 and told myself when these start running I shall bang in another 200 ish, they never ran. We made about 30 gallons of dark amber borderline commercial grade. Felling sorry for myself about the cash we spent on improvements then one day I decided a bad day in the sugar house beats any day in the paper mill. Full speed ahead and a better 2013 for all!
    Mike

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    I guess we didnt have a great year either but was a building year so made more than ever before. still only got about 6-7 gallons off of 140 taps, but not many good sap flow days. On a 2x8 set of flat pans and homemade oil tank evap.

    I'm still new at this so may not be the best to say but it seems like a 5 x 12 should be able to handle 350 taps, maybe 3500, but with 35 taps you'll have about 1/4 inch of sap and burned pans on most days. That or you need lots of storage to build up your sap. Have you considered using just one of the pans to start? a 5 x 6 setup could still boil off at least 10-12 gph, and I'm sure there's a formula for the square inches. At any rate, you need an inch or 2 in the pans to keep from scorching them, and more to feed as your boiling.
    Your going in reverse from most, everyone seems to start with not enough pan and too much sap. at least your boil times should be short
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    Well, again the pans are flat pans, no flue pan, and we are going to go for 200 -250 taps at this point. It seamed like last year by the time the sap really got going we were just so tired of sitting out there boiling we just pulled taps. We were getting an easy 1-2 gallons of sap per tap per day at that point and couldn't keep up. From what I could find approximate evaporation rates on flat pans are 1 gallon per square foot per hour, 60 square foot of pan = approximately 60 gallons per hour. I can store 275 gallons of sap plus some extra if needed, I plan on boiling every 2-3 days. It should take about 50 gallons just to get 2-3 inches of sap in the pans...that puts it at 325 gallons on hand. I guess if I hit that 1 gallon per tap per day again I will have to either pull some taps or get more barrels. Only time will tell.
    PLANNED FOR 2013 5 X 6 EVAPORATOR, WAS GOING FOR 100 TAPS...200 SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE(ME)(WIFE)
    2012- 25 TAPS SO FAR...MAYBE MORE WE WILL SEE HOW THINGS GO.

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    You will have plenty of capacity for 250 taps and it will be fun. In a normal year you will get about 10 gallons per tap, so that means you'll get about 2500 gallons the whole season. That means about 10 boils of 250 gallons each, or 5 of around 500 if it all works out. Of course that's a perfect season, and we don't always get that.
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    We had a week of 80 degree temps. the buds opened, then our temps went right back to freeze/thaw for 3 more weeks. If there was a market for buddy syrup, we could have made ****loads.
    3x12 drop flue.
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    Bought a used springtech 500 GPH RO
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    Being my first year last year as well I learned a ton when it comes to when to tap and when my bush will run and when it wont. I tapped on Valentines Day last year. the other producers in my area always say "Be tapped by March 1".. well, when their trees were running mine were still froze up. I tapped way to early last year for my bush. My bush faces almost due east. I will of course watch the weather but this year I will probably hold out until March 1 even if it is looking like the weather will be cooperative before.

    Second thing I learned is that I pulled the taps way to early last year. THe other producers pulled theirs right before we had that crazy warm weather for nearly a week. Then after that, the weather came back down and those who stayed in the game got another 2 weeks of producing. My bush is a later bush to run but will also run later in the season.
    FIRST GENERATION SUGARMAKER
    First boil 2/22/2012! Went Pefect!
    3,500' of laterals
    1,000' of mainline
    2012 - 105 taps on gravity, 12 sap sacks.
    2013 - 175 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks = 200 taps for 2013! Second year.
    2014 - 250 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks
    Tapped on February 16, 2014
    2015 - adding vac sap puller no more gravity for me!
    275 gallon holding tank for 2014
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    Hello again my Friend - I had the same type of year as You. Mother Nature messed with me all the way and it was one of the worst sap years I ever had. However - My Son and Grandsons - 80 miles South of me - were awash in sap and hauled up around 500 gallons of sap for me to boil. So with that and my own sap - it turned out ok. But - ADK 1 - I have had Two bad Sap Years in a row - I sure hope it changes in 2013 for both of us. -----Mike----

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausable View Post
    Hello again my Friend - I had the same type of year as You. Mother Nature messed with me all the way and it was one of the worst sap years I ever had. However - My Son and Grandsons - 80 miles South of me - were awash in sap and hauled up around 500 gallons of sap for me to boil. So with that and my own sap - it turned out ok. But - ADK 1 - I have had Two bad Sap Years in a row - I sure hope it changes in 2013 for both of us. -----Mike----
    Boy I hope so Mike! Like I have said, last year was te best year I have ever had cause it was my first every year! haha. wont be able to say that only longer though!
    FIRST GENERATION SUGARMAKER
    First boil 2/22/2012! Went Pefect!
    3,500' of laterals
    1,000' of mainline
    2012 - 105 taps on gravity, 12 sap sacks.
    2013 - 175 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks = 200 taps for 2013! Second year.
    2014 - 250 taps on gravity, 25 on sacks
    Tapped on February 16, 2014
    2015 - adding vac sap puller no more gravity for me!
    275 gallon holding tank for 2014
    20'x30' Sugarhouse

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    welcome to the insanity...when to tap is going to be a huge question for all of us to face from now on...especially if the global warming zealots happen to be right..Last year was the best I have ever had...BUT...I was the one everyone said was nuts when I tapped all in the first week of January..ended up making just over 100 gals on 350 taps...yes it was a big gamble that paid off in spades...some days i had almost 600 gals to boil on that little 2x6...made for some very long nights...bottom line is this...you cant boil anything if it is still in the trees...a 5x12 with flat pans?? do you have any idea how much wood you are going to burn for that 60 gals an hour??? I have a 5x12 raised flu and she will burn close to 300 gals an hour on the same wood... the last year she boiled Bob burned a tick over 30 cords on 1500 taps...and was averaging about 7 gals of syrup an hour...with the new ro and the change to oil we will see how she does...
    Chris Hicks
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    New 4x12 reverse fired leader arch and steam away
    new h2o innovations 1000 gph r.o.
    it's time to get back in the woods!
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    Well, sad to say but after taking all the info in from everyone we decide to use only one of the 5x6 pans. We will see what happens.
    PLANNED FOR 2013 5 X 6 EVAPORATOR, WAS GOING FOR 100 TAPS...200 SEEMS MORE APPROPRIATE(ME)(WIFE)
    2012- 25 TAPS SO FAR...MAYBE MORE WE WILL SEE HOW THINGS GO.

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