Rejean, if you had a gin and tonic earlier, I am sure you would have caught on quicker.
Rejean, if you had a gin and tonic earlier, I am sure you would have caught on quicker.
Success is not final,failure is not fatal.It is courage to continue that really counts
“I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.”
– Thomas Edison
802 Maple,
alas, Tanqueray or Bombay would have not helped much. My marching orders were: "No smoke and let's stick to every specification published to date". I really wanted to prove that the Force 5, while being a green machine, could compete head to head with fast but inefficient (smoke, lots of wood) evaporators. I think that the cards are finally on the table!!!
Cheers
Does anyone have the final numbers for each manufacturers - qty of wood used? total gallons of water evaporated?
In my opinion, I think CDL went for the max evaporation ''award''.
Ususally, in drag racing, this is what people want to see! :-), but the CDL rig is flexible so it could have used less wood, but evaporated less water too...
This is what I like about this rig, flexibility....
some producers do not care about wood consumption, they want performance.
But I think all the rigs did great since within 2 hours of boiling, they didn't have time to stabilize. It would have been nice to see a longer boiling period.
Sam1234,
here it is, directly from Andy (our host)!
gallons Wood pallet Details
CDL 310 1 1/2 9' flue pan (+12.5%)
WH Supply 200 7/8
D&G 285 1 1/4
Lapierre 285 7/8
Leader 300 1 1/4 11" flues (+60%)
A pallet was approx. 1/8 of FULL cord.
Enjoy!
Interesting
Thank you Rejean.
Rejean, I have to agree with you about to dryness of wood. When I originally designed the Intens-O-Fire, I told the powers to be at Maple Pro that it should have some moisture to the wood and I was told I was nuts. (like everyone else does). If I get my act in gear, I have a new idea in a pan and arch design that I will have ready for next year if all goes well, then we will have to put the bottle of tangueray between us and have at it. LOL
Success is not final,failure is not fatal.It is courage to continue that really counts
“I have not failed. I’ve just found 10,000 ways that won’t work.”
– Thomas Edison
Now with all that info I would be interested in knowing the cost of each unit to buy. Then you could have dollar per gallon boiled off. To me that is where the bare bones is.
Thad
802 maple,
wood moisture is the KEY to excellent gasification... Evaporators that require dry wood (less than 20%) are likely not true gasifier. Wood gas is better produced from "wet wood". Wood gas burns just like propane (smokeless, hot, clean)...
Rejean, glad to see you're finally on the trader. How much better do you think you could've done with wood at the optimum moisture content?
I'm glad to see the boiloff was finally done and I agree it should be done every year. I am surprised the max flue pan doesn't make that much of a difference, but then how do they claim the boiling rate increases by 20%? I think Proctor verified this when they were boiling w/ different technologies to determine what the actual gains are between stock rig, max pan, steamaway, preheater, and etc.
Running the numbers for gal boiled/wood consumed, I got the following:
CDL 1656 gal/chord
W.H. Supply 1824 gal/chord
D&G 1824 gal/chord
Lapierre 2600 gal/chord
Leader 1920 gal/chord
My Rig 1000 gal/chord
Keep in mind, I've put these into gal/full chord numbers, assuming the pallets were 1/8 chords. What's interesting is not only did the Force 5 have a top boiling rate number, it was also ~35% more efficient than it's closest efficiency competitor (Leader). I'm guessing it wouldn't have taken too much effort to have gotten the Force 5 over 300 gal boiled.
The numbers for "My Rig" are approximate and are based on how much wood I burned and how much concentrated sap I think I boiled...this was hard to determine since I started the season at 6% and finished at ~15%, I estimated an 8% average. So this shows the modern rigs are ~80% more efficient than my rig w/ a forced draft blower...that's a serious drop in wood consumption for anyone making an upgrade. This also shows technology has come a long ways in recent years.
Josh
2009 - 370 on vac. & 16 buckets
2010 - 377 on vac.
2011 - 590 on vac.
2012 - 620 on high vac., 170 buckets, 110 on gravity tubing
2013 - 830 mine + 800-1000 others
2014 - 870 mine + 800-1000 others
2017 - 920 mine + 500-700 others
2018 - 902 mine + 500-700 others
2019 - 902 mine + 700 others
2020 - 902 mine + ???? others
Atlas Copco Pump
2.5'x8' 802maple Special with Dallaire pans
H2O Innovation 600gph RO
Spring Harvest Website
Two things that has not been told yet that I have now heard is
That Leader was disqualified for bringing the max flue pan and that at the end they just let it simmer therefore the lower boiling amount.
Secondly that WH Supply blew the motor running the Air over Fire, thus giving them the lower boil amount.
More food for thought,
CDL rig as it sat was $26,000
WH Supply $18,000
Lapierre ???
D&G ???
Leader ???
Would love to know the last three
Thad