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    OK all you "Surge gurus" My friend is scrapping out an old dairy barn and pictured below is the vacuum system. The one picture I'm sure is the moisture trap, the other is the pump,it appears to be a oilless vane pump.
    The last picture is an overall picture of the setup. There is also another
    glass 'vessel" off to the side and above where the bulk tank was. I think the control panel was for the releaser. I'm in need of a pump and such for 100 taps or so. Anyone having any knowledge of this stuff would be a real help for me. thanks.
    115 red maples on vacuum
    100 taps on 5/16 gravity
    35 taps on 3/16 gravity
    50 taps on shurflo vacuum
    about 60 buckets on giant roadside sugars
    neighbor bringing from 45 taps
    30'x 8' Aof/Auf Evaporator
    Homemade 125gph Ro
    Lots of Homemade Equipment!

    http://s848.photobucket.com/albums/a...%20Sugarshack/

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    What you have is an electric releaser jar for the pipeline. The pump on the bottom of the jar is not a vacuum pump it is a transfer pump that took milk away from the glass jar after it gets about 1/3 full. There is a electric sensor in the middle of that jar that comes down from the top. When the milk hit the sensor the pump would turn on almost emptying the jar. This always allowed vacuum to the pipeline, thus never having to relieve vacuum to empty the jar.

    There is a stainless elbows and pipe attached to that pump that would send it to the milk tank. That appears to missing in your pics. They may be laying around in that milkhouse or someone needed them. The two toggle switches on the control panel........the right one would manually trip the pump in that photo on for a specified number of seconds. The left one would turn on the vacuum pump and vacuumize the whole system. We have the same thing in our dairy barn and is currently in use.
    Mark

    Where we made syrup long before the trendies made it popular, now its just another commodity.

    John Deere 4000, 830, and 420 crawler
    1400 taps, 600 gph CDL RO, 4x12 wood-fired Leader, forced air and preheater. 400 gallon Sap-O-Matic vacuum gathering tank, PTO powered. 2500 gallon X truck tank, 17 bulk tanks.
    No cage tanks allowed on this farm!

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    Thanks for the info. Sounds like the moisture trap is the only thing I can use.
    There is also a vacuum control unit not in the picture ,I'm going to get that also. What kind of vacuum pump was on this system? It's not there, I'm just curious.
    115 red maples on vacuum
    100 taps on 5/16 gravity
    35 taps on 3/16 gravity
    50 taps on shurflo vacuum
    about 60 buckets on giant roadside sugars
    neighbor bringing from 45 taps
    30'x 8' Aof/Auf Evaporator
    Homemade 125gph Ro
    Lots of Homemade Equipment!

    http://s848.photobucket.com/albums/a...%20Sugarshack/

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    Why can't you use the releaser?

    This will work just like an electric releaser. Unless you don't have electric where you would place this.

    I pick a Delaval up at an auction last year, I am thinking about putting it into operation this year. Help to get away from the constant vac leak with the Benders.


    I would grab it, maybe you could find someone who would be willing to give a few $$ for it. Just a thought.
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    Looks just like the system my dad had in the dairy milk house.
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    Dennis H: I can have it all! best of all ,the price is right, free. I would be hesitant to use the electric part of the releaser, it looks pretty nasty. I'm
    thinking I'll try and get both glass jars along with the other stuff. It will be awhile til I can get it home as it's in NY ,just up the road from my cabin.
    115 red maples on vacuum
    100 taps on 5/16 gravity
    35 taps on 3/16 gravity
    50 taps on shurflo vacuum
    about 60 buckets on giant roadside sugars
    neighbor bringing from 45 taps
    30'x 8' Aof/Auf Evaporator
    Homemade 125gph Ro
    Lots of Homemade Equipment!

    http://s848.photobucket.com/albums/a...%20Sugarshack/

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    The jar is worth $300 alone. You needed a Surge Alamo 30 or bigger for that unit. We have an Alamo 100 rotary vacuum pump, good for 6 milker units. The vacuum pump was most likely located not too far away, normally in the barn on the other side of the milkhouse wall.
    Mark

    Where we made syrup long before the trendies made it popular, now its just another commodity.

    John Deere 4000, 830, and 420 crawler
    1400 taps, 600 gph CDL RO, 4x12 wood-fired Leader, forced air and preheater. 400 gallon Sap-O-Matic vacuum gathering tank, PTO powered. 2500 gallon X truck tank, 17 bulk tanks.
    No cage tanks allowed on this farm!

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    Take a look we have used the exact same setup for 7 or 8 years. We have since changed over from the 2 probes to an electric eye. It works great for our setup.
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    Murray

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    Air over & under fire
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    thanks alot Murferd, I called up to NY today and asked them to save the glass for me. I probably won't get back up til May, I need to go see my cousin
    he said he has their milker pump yet and that I could have it. I want to try and get this set up for next year.
    115 red maples on vacuum
    100 taps on 5/16 gravity
    35 taps on 3/16 gravity
    50 taps on shurflo vacuum
    about 60 buckets on giant roadside sugars
    neighbor bringing from 45 taps
    30'x 8' Aof/Auf Evaporator
    Homemade 125gph Ro
    Lots of Homemade Equipment!

    http://s848.photobucket.com/albums/a...%20Sugarshack/

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    Paddy, You want to get the whole setup there. Later if you don't want everything you can sell or give away the extra. The pump motor housing may not look like much but doesn't mean it won't work. New pump motor must be $200+.
    Nice find!
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