Russ do you set the air bubbler before the boil starts and how vigorous is the air moving the sap
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Russ do you set the air bubbler before the boil starts and how vigorous is the air moving the sap
I set the bubble rate before I lit the evaporator and had it set to bubble pretty hard. After the evaporator came up to temp I tweeked it so that the sap would stay in the flue pan and so that the float wasn't influenced by it. When I get it set I don't need to touch it again for the rest of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by OGDENS SUGAR BUSH
Good to see this thread still bubbling along.
Yeah it pops up once in a while. I may be helping another member here build a bubblemaster this spring. He was really impressed with my golden syrup and wants to make some too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 802maple
This would be a great summer project.
Russ, do you have drawings you're willing to share ?
Unfortunately I didn't make any drawings. I looked at the one that Bascom's has in an evaporator in the showroom and I looked at a homemade one that my friend in Buxton, ME built. There are some good pics in this thread to give you an idea of what the finished product should look like. There's a pic by Old Man Maple that shows the one that he built for his flue pan on page 6 that pretty much explains it. I couldn't solder the pipes to the bottom of mine like he did because of the way that my Algier flue pan is made. I wouldn't be able to get it into the pan if I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnallin
Thank you guys for all the great information on here, I added a bubbler to our 2x8, now just a bath for the evaporator and we should be back at it this afternoon! This syrup is about the lightest we could make before, we will see how it does nowAttachment 17592Attachment 17593Attachment 17594
Nice looking bubbler. That should help you get lighter syrup, I didn't make anything darker than Amber last season. It will help your evaporation rate too, my 2x6 really comes to life when I turn on the Bubblemaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windy Acres
Do you think the high pressure blower I use for auf/aof would provide enough air for the bubbler?
A high pressure blower will but a run of the mill squirrel cage blower for a furnace won't. There has to be enough pressure to force the air through the tubes and up through the sap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windy Acres
While I don't have one yet, I have studied this idea to some length. You don't need a real big blower, but it must be high pressure and you want to be sure the supply air is being pulled from an area where it will not pick up any bad smells (diesel exhaust, or any other bad smells).
Yes, it is a high pressure blower, the Dayton radial blower recommended by Cornell for a 2x8 evaporator
so for my 2x6 oil fired which would be the better option the dayton or the Ametek 116472-13 Blower for a bubbler in both pans
I'm not sure if those are high pressure blowers or not. The blower has to put out enough pressure to force the air through the tubes and up through the sap. I use a small shop vac that I bought just for the Bubblemaster. The advantage of using a shop vac is that it has a filter in it. The disadvantage is the noise it makes.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnjake9
The Ametek listed is for a central vacuum. That is the one Jerry recommended.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell Lampron
Thanks for the info. Do you know if it's quieter than a shop vac?Quote:
Originally Posted by wiam
I do not have one in my sugarhouse. I can tell you the central vac in my house is probably not quieter than a shop vac. I am still in the bubblemaster planning stage. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Russell Lampron
Shop vac's are great but the motors are not rated for continuous use. I been through two in two years. I'm looking at an electric leaf blower next.
I'm using the smallest shop vac from Lowes on mine and am still using the same one that I bought in 2013. I rarely boiled for more than 3 or 4 hours at a time.Quote:
Originally Posted by jpcole
I'm on year three with my 3.5 gallon craftsman shop vac, its awesome , I ran it from outside with pvc to keep the noise down. I built a small shelter under the deck for my bulk tank for it to keep the noise down. Thanks again Russell for all the help.
has any one used ss tubing to build one if so any pictures
Mine is outside too for the same reason. I ran pvc in to connect it to the bubbler as well. When I'm boiling I have the noise from the vacuum pump and bubbler at one end of the sugar house and the RO at the other end of the sugar house. Everything is separated by walls and doors but it's still loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by lakeview maple
Russell how does the addition of air affect the boil rate, much at all? ( I get that the goal is lighter syrup) I was just wondering about the impact on boil rate.
It does increase the boil rate but I can't put a percentage number on it. When I first light the evaporator and before the pans are hot enough to boil I turn on the bubblemaster and get a lot of steam coming out of the pans. I also tried to boil without it a couple of times and the evaporation rate was noticeably less.
double bonus!
Attachment 18027 My bubble master blower!!
Looks good. Details?Quote:
Originally Posted by S.S.S
what kind of pressure is required to get it to bubble good? I am wondering about a high volume low pressure paint blower. low pressure being relative to the old style paint sprayers. but they are a constant duty air pump
Its a blower from H2O innovation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell Lampron
is the h20 blower for air injection. also do any manufactures make a air injection system
The bubbler made a huge difference in the cleanliness of the rear and and the Amber we are still getting is great!Attachment 18046
Yes but I don't know which ones. I first saw one at Bascom's.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnjake9
Nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Windy Acres
I know H2O makes them. Not sure about others.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnjake9
Yes the h2o blower is for air injection. I know lapierre makes them because I seen one this summer a guy installed last season, I didn’t know they offered one till I seen the one the guy had.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnjake9
how much could one expect to pay for a "store" bought one
Depends on size of evaporator. I was quoted about $1600 for system to go in my 3x12.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnjake9
How much is just the blower for a 2x6 evaporator I can build the restQuote:
Originally Posted by wiam
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Didn’t ask that. Commercial systems are using a central vac blower in some sort of filter box.
I bought my h2o blower last May I beleave when there 23.5% discount was and paid like $525 or $550.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisnjake9
I still want to take a look at a BubbleMaster...didn't happen for this year but it's sure got my attention