January thaw

Tax breaks for the extremely wealthy are disturbing to me as well but somehow I am not opposed to tax breaks for people who maple sugar, some of whom are very wealthy by the way.

My point would be that $12,000 is still a lot of money to anybody if you can do the right thing with it. If you P it to the wind, its not a lot of money and its not a little money, but instead is nothing. Well it is something still but its P blowing in the wind.

Which car is more valuable? The car that someone like Bill Gates paid $23,000,000 in 2001 for and put 11,237 miles on or the one I paid $23,000 for in 2001 and put 409,000 miles on. Not to mention all the beautiful Atlantic Salmon it got me hooked into way up north of the boarder.

Now if you post some of those pics that show tap hole wound comparisons, this thread will be back on scientific topic and off of philosophy.

Guaranteed.

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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear

Now if you post some of those pics that show tap hole wound comparisons, this thread will be back on scientific topic and off of philosophy.

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The results of this 3-yr study, including photos and text, will be published in an upcoming Maple Syrup Digest, most likely the October 2021 edition. Feel free to return to this thread after that with questions.

In addition, Dr. Abby did present some of this info at a CDL seminar earlier this year. If you're interested, it is at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNKZX2DOL5k

Just for fun! Jeff Besos makes 2400 dollars a second, therefore every 5 seconds 12000 dollars, he should buy 12000 dollars worth of Microsoft stock every 5 seconds just think how rich he will be in 15 years! ����, I’m with Dr. Tim I just can’t imagine that he cares about 12000 dollars, or better yet he could buy a new Subaru Outback every half hour and have enough extra change left to gas it up.�� 12000 dollars matters to this PB, Gates or Beso, Musk or Buffett no way! I have a cousin that keeps 5 million dollars in his day trader account just to play with! Most certainly he is a Billionaire, that is 10 hundred million, if he looses 12000 dollars in the stock market today! It just doesn’t matter! He could loose that much for 365 days that would be 4380000. He still has 995620000 left, ok you’re right, I need a picture to illustrate this! This is why the Government can spent 3.5 Trillion and no one cares, sorta like a tap hole wound, show me a picture and I will believe what your saying!
Mark 220 Maple

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I have a cousin that keeps 5 million dollars in his day trader account just to play with! Most certainly he is a Billionaire, that is 10 hundred million, if he looses 12000 dollars in the stock market today! It just doesn’t matter!
Mark 220 Maple

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If $12000 a day ( cash and non paper I assume ) would be a meaningless loss to him, have you ever considered asking your cousin to donate $12000 a year to sugar makers that have to "BUMP" their trees in order to help pay bills?

And in the process stop poking their trees to death.

You could even ask Gates, Buffet and Soros to chip in but my bet is you would have a better chance getting a pet coon to donate $12000 to this cause.

On the other hand well taken and displayed photographs might have a reasonable chance of having a positive effect.

I guess tappers can wait till October, nobody is planning on tapping before then, although it would not surprise me if they were. Tapping in early October and bumping by mid October. Got to tap in the mid fall now, winter time and spring time don't come anymore.

As you said $12000 is not a lot of money and as I said $12000 is still a lot of money to anybody especially your friend who bumps all his taps for $12000.

So I can understand why he might want to thrash the H out of his trees.

But some good photographs might make him think twice about it.

October it is we hope.

Sugar Bear, do you really know someone who is "poking their trees to death"? If they are they really need to change their habits. If taping is done correctly the tree will die of old age first.

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Sugar Bear, do you really know someone who is "poking their trees to death"? If they are they really need to change their habits. If taping is done correctly the tree will die of old age first.

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It is extremely hard to kill a tree by overtapping. That said, what will happen if trees are overtapped for a period of time is a reduction in the amount of viable wood in the tapping zone, resulting in tapping into stained wood with the attendant loss of sap yield https://mapleresearch.org/pub/4221eco/ ....which leads to putting in more taps to compensate, resulting in more loss of viable wood...

In other words...this is a really bad cycle to get into. That is why tapping guidelines should be used. https://mapleresearch.org/pub/vandenberg10full-2/

Reviving this thread to seek some clarification on taphole rejuvenation. Contrary to what was stated earlier in this thread, a recent article in the Maple News seemed to imply that rejuvenation was an acceptable strategy. A hobby producer was interviewed and claimed that he was using a system promoted by Cornell. Did I misread something?

Haven’t yet seen the article. What does it say?

http://http://www.themaplenews.com/story/betting-on-his-buckets-nh-producer-taps-early/411/

“ Taylor said he plans on a taphole rejuvenation strategy, researched and promoted by the Cornell Maple Program, later in the season.

He said he plans on redrilling existing tapholes on 50 percent of his trees, and drilling new tapholes on the other 50 percent.”

It is NOT a strategy Cornell or UVM advocates. He is quite mistaken.

Steve Child’s did some research on the subject and found some increase in yield at times. He never looked at how it affected wounding. He also never recommended it, but said more work was needed. UVM looked at both yield and wounding. Bottom line — really bad idea.

I expect a correction will be forthcoming.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PlnqFny5tpk

https://mapleresearch.org/pub/wound0621/