Revi,
Thanks, sounds like a good book. I'll try to find it :)
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Revi,
Thanks, sounds like a good book. I'll try to find it :)
That was easy enough. I found a used one on-line for under five bucks. Looking forward to the reading. Thanks again
I also have the book and Revi is right, It's good! I met his X wife last year as she came by to take AG census. When she saw the sugar house she told me about a book her XHusbon had written about surgaring, I told her I had it and showed it to her! She then told me that he had written a second Book that I could find. He has past away now ! But lived in Thetford VT were he built that sugar shack! When I was working ,went by it all the time and did'nt evan know it!
That's pretty neat. It's a small world sometimes isn't it? I went back and looked to see if the other book was listed and it was. There are also " Storey Country Wisdom" bulletins he wrote about aspects of rural life. There's one about making maple syrup.
It's suprising how diverse his subject matter was,but he sure seemed to prefer the rural life theme. Not unlike the rest of us I guess.
Sappy Steamer, What was the name of the second book :?: I never did find out. Was it available? And were are you looking? Yes rural life is great, But I think I was born 100 years to late :!: :!: :!: Life was so much simpler back then :!: Jim L.
Jim,
The book is "Making Maple Syrup:A Beginner's Guide" Obviously not much use to you. There's some other maple related books on Alibris Books website if your interested. Ditto on that "hundred years too late" comment. Things could have been a whole lot easier in some ways ,but then again, more diificult in others. I think I'd trade the technology for the simplicity any day. Dan
Sappy steamer,Thank you for info :!: You are right probly not much use to use. :lol: But than you never know :oops: Just wanted it to go with the other one,(For grand Kids) nice collectable :!:
Yes a hundred years ago they did'nt run down to the coffe shop every five minites or go to town every time you need something :!: Jim 2L.
Sugar shack in ohio is a AG use and it doesnt matter if your in the city or not thats State law I usually ask the folks to call and let me know its AG but legally they really dont have to do it this is directly from my lawyer (the prosecutor) mouth. Also in most areas if its below a certain sq footage say 200 here then no permit either.
Archangel,
I appreciate the post. It seems like people I talk to are saying the same thing about the Ag exemption from building permits. Everyone, that is, except for my local tax assessor's office and inspector. I know I need to contact the right person on the state level to get the most accurate answer, but just haven't had the time. One maple producer I know,who is on his local town board, told me he needed to do so to convince his local people. He was right.
One thing I'm not clear on is what the extent of the exemption is. Is it just from the permit fee and process? Or do they not up my property value due to the added value of the building? Or both? I get neither according to my local folks. I need a permit (even for a small shack) I need to sell more than $10000 gross a yr($50000 per yr if less than 7acres) and it automatically ups my assessment about three fold because it makes it commercial property! I don't want to sell it there ,I want to make it there. It's way out back off the road. Sure doesn't sound right to me! Dan :)
as long as 51% of the structure is ag it all is ag another words say I have a 100 square foot building and 51 sq feet is ad the other 49 is a shop the whole deal is ag as for property taxes it doesnt give you a break unless you have 7 acres or more dedicated to AG but you are excempt from building and zoning permits. I almost think it is in our state constitution.
Sappy steamer,
I have just gone through the building permit hassle with Chenango County, NY. My building inspector told me I might be exempt from the building permit if I was actually in production. Well, why would I build a sugarhouse or barn to not be in production? Any way, he sent me a copy of the code and the code states that if the building is to be used soley for agricultural purposes, the building is exempt from the permit process. Well, this wasn't good enough for him. I told him the barn we were building was for goats and maple equipment storage. He kept persisting that we needed a permit. I refused on the basis of the paperwork he sent me saying that I didn't need a permit. Well, you know how this story goes, he said, I said, etc. Finally I called up our local Farm Bureau office and the president of Chenango County Farm Bureau went and saw the county code enforcement guy and read him a copy of the state building code. The County backed off once they saw I wasn't giving in and had an advocate. Three other points of interest for you are that there is no minimum amount of money you have to make in order to be in production, you simply just have to be in production. The second thing is that New York is going to officially recognize Maple Syrup Production in their laws now. Sugaring will be mentioned by its name and not just implied the laws. Hopefully this will eliminate some gray areas. Third, any new agricultural buildings built now can be exempt from property taxes for up to 10 years (I am still looking into this one). I have been a member of FArm Bureau and The New York State Maple Producers Assoc. for many years now and this is the first time I have had reason to call on them for help and they came through with flying colors. I've never been a person to try and get others to join orginizations, but these two have done a lot for sugaring and agriculture. The more members we have the larger our voice will be.
I am also a member of St Lawerence county and the state Maple Producers assoc. The only other Ag that I do is grow blueberries and we are just starting into that.
Lew,
I called the Dept. Of Agriculture And Markets in Albany last week about ag. buildings being exempt from the building permit process. The man was very clear that the policy in N.Y. as far as the state is concerned is that "We do not advocate the exemption of the permit process based on an agricultural status" He continued that individual municipalities may or may not require a permit for an ag. use structure. I could, however, file for a tax exemption which would require me to genenerate $10000 gross sales per year. My local assessor told me that would automatically turn my property into a commercial tax rate which would be about triple the taxes per year. The man in Albany said that isn't right. So basically all the rules are through the king that sits on your local thrown in the assessor's office. There isn't just a blanket state rule or anything in the Constitution. Other states have it covered under their "Right To Farm" law, but not here. The tax exempt law is very clear, but the exemption from permits is real fuzzy because it's left up to the discretion of the local municipality. I'll be applying for my permit this week I guess. I've had enough of the bureaucracy, but I'm sure there's more coming.