Maple-pocalypse? Syrup looks like the latest victim of climate change

Thank you for providing your source. When I first read your posts, I coudn't figure out what you were talking about. These UN goals are really saying the opposite of your conclusions. It's all about the preservation of forests and sustainable agriculture. Goal 2 is an end to world hunger. It's about improving food security. Goal 12 is responsible consumption and production. It focuses on minimizing waste. I don't have a problem with any of these goals. In fact they all sound great to me. These are all things that have positive impacts on maple syrup production and life on our planet - human and otherwise.

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Originally Posted by SeanD

I don't have a problem with any of these goals. In fact they all sound great to me.

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So, your ready to Eat Ze Bugs?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...limate-change/

The title of "end world hunger" sounds nice, But do you know how they intend to end world hunger? Like i said, NOTHING from nature. Maple syrup comes from nature.
I got to believe the people that are so worried about the planet actually understand the solutions (past the headlines) that are being put forth by the very people that created "climate change".

SDG 12 is " the circular economy" where trash is no longer allowed and recycling is no longer enough. Sounds "fun"
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=cir...economy&ia=web

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Originally Posted by Scm

So, your ready to Eat Ze Bugs?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/...limate-change/

The title of "end world hunger" sounds nice, But do you know how they intend to end world hunger? Like i said, NOTHING from nature. Maple syrup comes from nature.
I got to believe the people that are so worried about the planet actually understand the solutions (past the headlines) that are being put forth by the very people that created "climate change".

SDG 12 is " the circular economy" where trash is no longer allowed and recycling is no longer enough. Sounds "fun"
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=cir...economy&ia=web

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Woah there. Maybe it's time to just breathe a little. Not really sure there's any evidence to support what you are saying and the contradictions are getting out of control. The way to solve world hunger is to stop interacting with nature and eat bugs? These are just ideas to help address a problem. That's a long way from the mandates that you seem to be worried about.

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Originally Posted by DrTimPerkins

As much as we try to dispel these notions when reporters call us, they frequently already know what they want to write (not all of them...some are happy to be educated on the subject). When we won't give them a gloom and doom story, they move on to someone else who will. It's difficult, because the story really is quite complex and has a lot of uncertainties.

That said, in the LONG run, climate change will not be kind to our friends in the far southern ranges of the maple production areas.

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That about says it like it is.

This is my 8th season in a row as a hobbyist and this winter was by far the most apparently/visually affected by climate change in our region, the lower end of Mid-Hudson Valley and Soutwest Connecticut, out of all the winters I have seen/remember in the past 55 years. This year was a real head scratcher on when to put in my 70 spouts but gave in "typically" early on Feb 6th. Most taps still seem fully capable of providing good sap in what will be the final run of the season in the next couple of days.

This year I set my record on gallons of sap per tap by far. Sugar content was the same as other seasons. I had to buy more half gallon jars for syrup storage.

Early March came in as strong as any of them this year. And trees are a lot like people, they learn to figure it out no matter what comes their way. Well, most do.

Unfortunately, none of us will be here if and when it just does not work "well" anymore.

We will all be long gone.

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Originally Posted by ecolbeck

Woah there. Maybe it's time to just breathe a little. Not really sure there's any evidence to support what you are saying

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"not really sure there's any evidence" is THE problem, There is PLENTY.
It's why this is happening the world over
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=farmer+protest

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Originally Posted by ecolbeck

The way to solve world hunger is to stop interacting with nature and eat bugs? These are just ideas to help address a problem.

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Meat: The Future A Roadmap for Delivering 21st-Century Protein
https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Wh...ap_Protein.pdf
Insects for food and feed
https://www.fao.org/edible-insects/en/
Plant-based diets will be essential to the planet's future, report says
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/...ersity-report/
Shaping the Future of Global Food Systems: A Scenarios Analysis
https://www3.weforum.org/docs/IP/2016/NVA/WEF_FSA_FutureofGlobalFoodSystems.pdf
When Will Our Meat-Filled Diets Go Post-Animal?
https://www.fastcompany.com/3055504/when-will-our-meat-filled-diets-go-post-animal
It May Be Uncomfortable, But We Need to Talk About It: The Animal Agriculture Industry and Zero Waste
https://www.colorado.edu/ecenter/2022/03/15/it-may-be-uncomfortable-we-need-talk-about-it-animal-agriculture-industry-and-zero-waste

Are you ready for the post animal agricultural world? Its all tied to the Paris Climate Accord. Surely you know what that says.

Increase "food" production while reducing land usage. Stop deforestation. Maple has no chance when the "consensus" says the fake stuff is better.

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Originally Posted by ecolbeck

That's a long way from the mandates that you seem to be worried about.

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Not really, 2030 is not THAT far away.
https://www.international.gc.ca/worl....aspx?lang=eng
And in 2022
http://www.en.kremlin.ru/supplement/5770
"The ongoing pandemic of the new coronavirus infection poses a serious challenge to the fulfilment of the UN 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. It is vital to enhance partnership relations for the sake of global development and make sure that the new stage of global development is defined by balance, harmony and inclusiveness."

YES 192 countries (including Russia AND China) Agree to reach the SAME SDG goals. DO you know the goals and how they will get there?


Fun Fact, Liquid cremification is Legal in 28ish states.
https://www.us-funerals.com/where-is...bio-cremation/
The "waste" from the process is allowed to be dumped into waste water systems,
https://www.cremationassociation.org...linehydrolysis
"This effluent is discharged with all other wastewater, and is a welcome addition to the water systems."
which is the allowed to be turned into COMPOST (BioSludge).
https://www.epa.gov/biosolids/basic-...bout-biosolids
Then it's applied to FOOD crops

If its not grown by you
YOU ARE LITERALLY EATING SOYLENT GREEN ALREADY!!!!

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Originally Posted by DrTimPerkins

As much as we try to dispel these notions when reporters call us, they frequently already know what they want to write (not all of them...some are happy to be educated on the subject). When we won't give them a gloom and doom story, they move on to someone else who will. It's difficult, because the story really is quite complex and has a lot of uncertainties.

That said, in the LONG run, climate change will not be kind to our friends in the far southern ranges of the maple production areas.

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The key word that caught my attention is Dr.Tim’s reference to our friends in the southern regions, that I’m still his friend warms my heart, almost to the level of climate change, he is days from escaping my wrath with his retirement! Oh how I would like to be at that retirement party, just to get him fired up with another one of my Hillbilly schemes. Hopefully there will be someone to fill his shoes at Proctor, willing to communicate with us wannabe syrup makers, even though his shoes are as big as Ronald McDonald’s!
Your Southern Friend, Mark 220 Maple

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Originally Posted by 220 maple

Hopefully there will be someone to fill his shoes at Proctor, willing to communicate with us wannabe syrup makers, even though his shoes are as big as Ronald McDonald’s!
Your Southern Friend, Mark 220 Maple

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Hey Mark,

No offense taken...I wouldn't expect any different from you...ever.

With that...and because this thread has gotten somewhat off the rails...I'm going to use my moderator superpower and terminate it. :mrgreen:
TP