HELP WITH LEADER WSE 2x6

[caseyssugarshack93]

Hi, I have a leader wse 2x6 with 2x4 flue pan does anyone know how much sap it will boil in a hour im only getting about 25 gallons and i hoped for like 35 and the evaporator boils like crazy in the front of the flue pan but not in the middle as much and the there is not gap in the flues for air to get though the arch and i have a blower for it so is there somthing wrong anyone have any ideas whats wrong or is anything wrong ??? i have 800 taps and need a ro and filter press and filter tank asap and i hope i dont need a new evaporaror

[Fred Henderson]

That is an awful small evap for the number of taps that you have listed. 25-30 GPH is about average evaporation for that rig. Is this rig a drop or raised flue? You might get 35 GPH with a preheater and hood.

[caseyssugarshack93]

Drop flue well im getting a ro we had a bad sugaring yearrr its still going on but only made about 40 gallons thatsss ittt parker family farms told me that the wse with a ro will handle 1000 is that trueee im hoping to either get a 3x8 or getting a ro

[caseyssugarshack93]

how much does a 3x8 boil per hour

[Jim Brown]

caseyssugarshack93- We also have a raised flue waterloo small 2x6 and run about 1000 taps on vac. We have a forced draft and a steam away. we could only get about 25-28 gallon per hour the first year with forced draft. We added the steam away and changed the draft system to a variable speed vortex radon fan and changed the duct work. We have a ss steam hood and we can get 50-51 gallons per hour now I don't think that 25GPH is too bad for a straight 2x6


Just our two cents!

Jim

[Justin Turco]

Whats your stack temp? Our 2x6 doesn't really come to life until at least 1200 stack temp. Do you have good dry finely split wood? If you don't have a stack temp guage try to get one with the probe. More acurate. We drilled the hole for ours basicly at the top of the base stack. I know...you don't have time to mess with a temp guage. I just think maybe your not running as hot as you might need to be. I think when they rate these 2X6's they must really have them cranking. Hang in there!

One of the guys passed some info on to me about a MemProTech ro, marketed by L.S. Bilodeau in quebec. Sounds like a good machine and priced reasonably at 4700 cdn for the 100gph model or 6700 for the 200gph model. I am thinking on it and hope to do something by next spring.

[Fred Henderson]

Whats your stack temp? Our 2x6 doesn't really come to life until at least 1200 stack temp. Do you have good dry finely split wood? If you don't have a stack temp guage try to get one with the probe. More acurate. We drilled the hole for ours basicly at the top of the base stack. I know...you don't have time to mess with a temp guage. I just think maybe your not running as hot as you might need to be. I think when they rate these 2X6's they must really have them cranking. Hang in there!

One of the guys passed some info on to me about a MemProTech ro, marketed by L.S. Bilodeau in quebec. Sounds like a good machine and priced reasonably at 4700 cdn for the 100gph model or 6700 for the 200gph model. I am thinking on it and hope to do something by next spring.

Jumpin jack rabbits if you got to run your stack at 1200 you had better get and evap designed and built by Patrick Phanuef. That is a lot of waste heat going up the pipe.

[Fred Henderson]

Nothing like fighting with bad wood trying to get a good boil going. When my stack is at 500 that rig is just humming. I can push it to 600 but it don't make much difference.

[Brent]

I think, but I'm not sure that the Leader WSE is a budget priced evap and that the flues are a bit shallower than a full blown 2 x 6. If I recall when when I was looking before Christmas, they were about 5 or 5 1/2" deep. Some 2x6 come with 7 1/2" flues. More surface area = more GPH.

I don't think you're doing bad for that rig. I think you could certainly get more
out of it with better draft and higher temps, a pre-heater or a steamaway. But I think it is undersized for 800 taps.

A lot of "I thinks"

[Justin Turco]

Do you have a flue brush to clean the soot out? That, I believe, makes a little diference too. We clean ours every day.

Glenn goodrich once said 700-800 was an ideal stack temp. But ours just doesn't get much work done at that temp. I'm going to have to ask what temp they rate these things at.

[caseyssugarshack93]

alright thanks guys i may be getting a 3 by 8 how many gal per hour does that boil does anyone know ? im going to be adding 600 more taps for 2009 ill be up to about 1600 taps about

[Fred Henderson]

A 3x8 properly fired with dry wood should give you 60 GPH.

[caseyssugarshack93]

A 3x8 properly fired with dry wood should give you 60 GPH.

how much do u get with ur 3x8 ??/???

[Fred Henderson]

I get 85 -90 GPH. I have a preheater & hood. My wife says that I insulated it to good because the SH is cold. I made 74 gallons this year and used 4-1/2 face cords of wood.

[caseyssugarshack93]

I get 85 -90 GPH. I have a preheater & hood. My wife says that I insulated it to good because the SH is cold. I made 74 gallons this year and used 4-1/2 face cords of wood.

what size should i get for 1500 taps

[Fred Henderson]

what size should i get for 1500 taps

Is this 1500 with or with out an RO?

I would go 4x12 and if you get more taps then you could add a preheater and still be good to go.

[caseyssugarshack93]

Is this 1500 with or with out an RO?

I would go 4x12 and if you get more taps then you could add a preheater and still be good to go.

well if i get a Ro i could keep the 2x6 or i could get a 3x8 right and that would be good ? b/ parkers family farm told me it would handle 1000 taps with a Ro how many gals per hour would my wse 2x6 boil then with Ro ?

[pennslytucky]

do the math... what sugar % are you getting for sap now? then, what would the ro put out for %?