Beginner filtering. Hate it.

[m2salmon]

Orlon cone and 2 prefilters. Got them wet. Ran through during draw off so sap was hot. Very quickly clogged
Seemed to be more the orlon filter than the pre filters but they weren’t working great either. Any tips or suggestions? There seems like a pint of syrup is still in the filter material after we stopped using them. What do with used pre filters? It seems like there’s a bunch of sugar left in there cannot be rinsed out? Not sure it’ll these filters are always this much of a pain or if we’re doing something wrong. Any tips or advise would be greatly appreciated!

[LMP Maple]

Ah the joys of filtering with cone filters. I feel your pain. I am still using the cone filters as well. I use the sailor hat method to set up the filters. Its a little hard to explain but Bascom sells a wire rack that makes the filter into this sailor hat for you. I just invert the cone filter until it takes this shape. I did not buy the wire rack as there was no need and the filter can take the shape without the rack. If you are handy you can make one. The sailor hat method made a real difference for me. It is rare to have any syrup left from the draw off. Like you I draw syrup straight from the evaporator. I have never had the issue you are having with pre-filters. I use hot oil filters that are disposable. I only use one pre-filter. At the start of the season the pre-filters last a whole boil now I am only getting two draws due to the niter. I got these off amazon they come in packs of 50. As far as what is left in the filter you dont want to keep anything that is filtered out. Not sure why you would be getting a lot of sugar residue. I would check the density with a hydrometer to make sure you are drawing of at the right point. Try the sailor hat method. I will say a shop vac filter press was on my wish list until I started using this method now I dont mind the gravity filtering. Now tops on the list is an R/O. Pulling most of my taps today. Ran out of time and forecast looks iffy here with some heat coming in. Good luck up on the rest of your season. I am sure others will chime in with some advice for you. Have fun.

[VTnewguy]

We used 3-4 prefilters then the Orlon filter. As far as syrup still left over in the filters when you rinse your filters out, we used to do it in a pail of hot water. That sugar water that is left would go back in the evaporator so nothing is wasted. The inverted cone helps filter a bit better. Flat filtering over a canner works better because of the surface area.

[Paddymountain]

Are your filters contained in a pot or something to keep your
syrup warm? Look up some of the threads on using a coffee
urn to filter! We used to use cone filters and actually filtered
100 gallons through them in one season. Let them drip out overnight
to catch all the syrup you can get. Also, we used 6 prefilters and pulled
them out one at a time as they plugged. hth

[eustis22]

I can never see how to remove the clogged top filter without making an ungodly mess with the syrup pooled inside.

I just said screw it and built a small vacuum filter.

[red dorakeen]

I don't know if it's right or wrong but I decant finished syrup. Pour most of it off the sediment to filter and can a couple days later.

I save the sediment and pour off more syrup as it separates.

Definitely makes the filtering process a breeze for me.

I'm just a backyarder so my quantities are manageable this way.

[maple marc]

I feel your pain as well. I think cone filtering is one of life's great tortures. Probably puts a lot of marriages on edge too. Life changes for the better when you step up to a filter press. I know you feel you may not be able to justify it with 49 taps, but a small filter press (think 5" with 10 papers) and a small air diaphragm pump would put a smile on your face.

[thebaler1]

hi there, ive found a quick cheap solution, i purchased 2 , 5 gal brew kettles from home brewers supply online, i got one with a 1/2// outlet , first i cut a hole in the bottom of the one with no outlet, then cut a hole of the same size in the lid of theont with a outlet, added a second hole and outlet just below the top of solid pot, that outlet has a ball valve on it, attached a small stingar vacuum from home deopt, i purchased a sheet of fabric filter and a few sheets of prefilter, cut them about 1 1/2’’ larger than the pot top, install fabric than 2 prefilter rounds on top of solid kettle then the cut out top, then the kettle with the bottom cut out, afix the stack with a bungee between handles, i draw 1-2 galons and while still piping hot pour into top kettle then hit the vac. usually takes about 2 min to completly pull thru, and immediatly can from the lowest spiggot, works real nice and cleans up so quick, just rinse filters in hot permiate and reassemble in mintes, cutting thru the ss steel is a bit obnoxous, i used a cut off wheel on my angle grinder then smoothed with a grinding wheel, whole thing cost under 200 bucks, good luck

[tcross]

i've used cone/orlon filters for many years. i've never really experienced any issue with them. i draw off and filter (3-4 pre filters with the orlon). my filters go in a 5 or 7 gallon stainless milk jug. i fold the top of the filter down over the rim of the jug and filter into it, pulling the pre filters out when they clog. when i'm done filtering, i put a cover over the jug until it's drained. then it goes on a hook over the syrup pan and drips back in. the steam from the pan helps that. i always have two filters. one filtering and one hanging over the evaporator. Keeping your syrup and filter hot is key!

[Bricklayer]

Second season using a filter press and filtering is the easiest part of the whole syrup process now. I used to cone filter , flat filter. Hated it like everyone else does.
For someone that can’t justify the cost of the filter press I would get that wire rack that lets you get most out of a cone filter and use lots of cone pre filters , or I used to have an orlon filter that fit right onto a 5 gallon pail. And just bought the big pack of prefilters that were in sheets.
It worked pretty good as well.

[wmick]

Been using the orlon cone and liners for years now... without problems... This year I purchased a 2nd one, as I use it at the evaporator and at bottling... Thought we might want to be in 2 places at once...
Having huge issue with the brand new orlon at the evaporator..... I think its because my old one was very well wore in and washed so many times, before I started using my RO.... The combination of more syrup per hour and a brand new filter, I believe, is my issue... Will try the old filter if I boil again this year.

[eustis22]

thebaler, how do you stop your top pot from getting sucked into your bottom pot after you open the vacuum? I always have to shoot some air into the bottom pot to free them up.

[BCPP]

We filter right off the evaporator into a felt filter that is lined with two polyester prefilters. Use the sailor hat method to increase filter area. We tie the filter to rim of 5 gal bucket and have a hole in bottom that drains to a holding container. Did not purchase the wire rack for sailor hat as was not needed. One of our felt filters is so stiff that it can hold the weight of the syrup without the rack support. The other not so stiff so we support the middle with a piece of copper pipe.

We mainly run evap from about 8am until 3pm.
For first half of season, no issue with syrup going through filter by the end of the day. Even later season, with more nitre, we just pull prefilter 1 a little earlier. Sometimes there might be maybe 300ml syrup that does not go through and in that case we just take out the sailor hat and let syrup hit the freshly exposed filter surface.
We do lose some in the filter but dont think it warrants the effort of rinsing the filter with hot sap and returning to evaporator.
Our total cleanup at end of day is maybe 15 minutes.

[wmick]

....Use the sailor hat method to increase filter area. We tie the filter to rim of 5 gal bucket and have a hole in bottom that drains to a holding container..... .

I am curious about this sailor hat thing?? Hoping you might be able to shine some light on it for me...

I hang a full cone filter inside one 5 gallon pail, which drains into another... (just like you are describing, I think) except I just leave the filter hang in its natural state (no sailor hat).... I fail to see how using an optimizer or sailor hat would increase throughput?? Is the surface area of the filter not the same, regardless of how you shape it?? I can see how it would help get more in the bucket if you were limited by height... but does it really change the usable life or throughput of the filters?

[NhShaun]

It increases the surface area that the syrup is actually passing through(Usually only the bottom few inches of the filter) which gives you more time before it gets clogged up. It also flows through much faster with the sailor hat method. Give it a try with some water it will have a similar effect.

[BCPP]

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Hope this image attaches! Hope it shows the increase in filter surface area for a normal cone on top and sailor hat fold on the bottom

[Wannabe]

Here's a good thread on the subject

http://mapletrader.com/community/showthread.php?29404-How-to-use-ALL-of-a-cone-filter&highlight=optimizer


That said, I still HATE filtering and am trying the settling method this year.

[aamyotte]

Here's a good thread on the subject

http://mapletrader.com/community/showthread.php?29404-How-to-use-ALL-of-a-cone-filter&highlight=optimizer


That said, I still HATE filtering and am trying the settling method this year.

I made my fist batch and which only gave me 1L of syrup. I went settle method as well since I would have lost too much in my filter. I did run it through a few prefilters first. After 2 days it's settling well already.