CDL 600 wiring

[Asa Matras]

Hey guys,
We're hooking up a new cdl 600 expandable. What gauge wire do you use? What amp breaker? Anybody got experience with these? Looking for input
Thanks

[unc23win]

Not to be a dink but doesn't it say the amps required in to the book? Specs available online?

[Haynes Forest Products]

I went with a 50 amp breaker on my unit and I just talked to my dealer (Roth Sugar Bush) and he said 50 for the new ones.

[Haynes Forest Products]

When in doubt you can look at the factory plug and they will be rated by the style. 30-40-50 its right on the plug and the configuration will tell you.

[Asa Matras]

This doesnt have any wire or plug coming out of the control box. They expect you to wire it right into the control box...

[Haynes Forest Products]

I talked to the CDL dealer and he said 50 AMP mine had a plug so you can get a 50 amp plug set up at Home Depot. Make your own with a plug socket and wire just match them all up. I have mine so I can unplug and move it when I clean. That is why I have plumbing unions and plugs on all equipment. Good luck.

[Asa Matras]

I talked to the CDL dealer and he said 50 AMP mine had a plug so you can get a 50 amp plug set up at Home Depot. Make your own with a plug socket and wire just match them all up. I have mine so I can unplug and move it when I clean. That is why I have plumbing unions and plugs on all equipment. Good luck.

You using 10 ga. wire?

[Haynes Forest Products]

14 for 15 amp
12 for 20
10 for 30
8 for 40
6 for 50
Copper wire

[maple flats]

Those gauges are all if the power is being run from less than 100' from the box. If farther go 1 size bigger, for example use 10 ga for 20A and 8 ga for 30A and so forth. While the difference is just a slight voltage drop in a longer run, that drop actually costs you more every day you use that power and if the drop is too high it can hurt the life of the motors.

[fred]

who did you get this from? CDL requires the person who sells anything, makes sure the customer knows what to do. CDL also requires them to help you with start up and test run.

[Haynes Forest Products]

I think we all make some assumptions when we reply to a thread or post. My shack has its own power/meter with a 200 AMP service. My RO is within 10 ft of the breaker box/service panel so my unit isn't starving to power. I will agree with Dave that if your running temporary power from another source then you need to do some math and get the right gauge wire. So to add to that discussion you need to consider the entire length from the panel to your unit even the wire in your house. Plus don't scrimp on the plug and outlet and don't be afraid to go with the 4 prong plug The one with ground common and two phases of 110.

[Asa Matras]

who did you get this from? CDL requires the person who sells anything, makes sure the customer knows what to do. CDL also requires them to help you with start up and test run.

Yeah, the rep is gonna come for a test run sometime. I'll pick his brain about the elec. hookup specs before hand.

[Asa Matras]

I think we all make some assumptions when we reply to a thread or post. My shack has its own power/meter with a 200 AMP service. My RO is within 10 ft of the breaker box/service panel so my unit isn't starving to power. I will agree with Dave that if your running temporary power from another source then you need to do some math and get the right gauge wire. So to add to that discussion you need to consider the entire length from the panel to your unit even the wire in your house. Plus don't scrimp on the plug and outlet and don't be afraid to go with the 4 prong plug The one with ground common and two phases of 110.
The shack has got its own box. The ro is only 40 ft away

[Haynes Forest Products]

Then get it done. I would go with the 50 AMP breaker,plug and #6 wire. Put the plug up high or the Jbox if that is your preference to keep it out of the moisture from cleaning the floor.

[BAP]

After spending that much money on an RO, I would not guess at what size wire and breaker to use. Improper sizing of those components can lead to motor failure or overheating of wire if not sized correctly. Also, on a machine of that size, unless you really plan on moving it around, I would Not use a plug on the cord. Plugs are a weak link because they can corrode, have poor connection if they don’t fit tight, let moisture in, which can lead to power loss to the machine. The best way to get your question answered is to talk to the manufacturer or dealer and find out what your machine requires unless it is in the book that came with your machine. A lot of people will guess and shoot out answers based on their own machines, but as components used to build them change over time, power requirements change. It could be the same, more or less. It’s not worth guessing.

[Haynes Forest Products]

There was no guessing involved. The information was from the CDL dealer. The largest pump on the unit "plugs" into the panel. Every 220 volt high amperage piece of equipment I have plugs into the wall, welder, electric dryer, Airteck vacuum pump, 5 hp compressor, Water jacketed bottler, RO, and all 4 of my generators deliver there power thru plugs. Not one of those units has a plug that show any signs of corrosion or pitting from lack of contact with its counter part. In reality if you wish to move your unit around you can use a plug, longer pigtail or disconnect and reconnect the wires in the J box.

Using the right size breaker is the most important link between your power source and the unit. My unit has an internal breaker that will be the one that ultimately protects your components. I have had mine trip a few times when my filters caused strain on the pumps leading to an overload because I was off multi tasking and not watching the meters.

[maple flats]

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[JoeJ]

You are inquiring about wire size for a CDL 600 EXPANDABLE. I would think that you should install a wire the proper size to run an expanded 600. I have a Lapiere 1200 and I ran 45' of 2-0 aluminum rated at 100 amps from my panel box to a 80 amp breaker in a box at the RO. The electrician then ran a few feet #4 copper to connect the RO to the 80 amp breaker. Never had any blinking or dimming of lights when everything is running.

Joe

[unc23win]

I just got the wire and throw out switch for my Lapierre. I think 1 membrane is 55 amps, 65 amps 2 membranes but 4 is 105 so I’m running 100 amp wire and breaker. I don’t want to do it twice. I really wanted a plug and receptacle but they are $700.

[maple flats]

When you get in the 100A class the plug and receptacle need to be the Appleton type, pricey but dependable. That's what I used in my generator connection, but it only had to be 60A. The Appleton's are watertight.

[Haynes Forest Products]

Getting back to the original thread question was what amp breaker for a CDL expandable and the answer is 50 amp. Because the way the CDL works is when you start your start up sequence not all the pumps start up at the same time and once started they don't draw as many amps running as they do starting. A 50 anp circuit will run a 2 post set up that is why they recommend a 50 amp circuit.

Now would a 60 amp circuit be better sure because having more amps available won't hurt because starting and running motors on low voltage is the quickest way to burn them up.

Now you might be saying Chuck why are you being so adamant about about the 50 amp thing?? Well that is the answer to the question. It wasn't a guess or a cheap way to get the right results.

I know we make a lot of assumptions when someone asks a question and that can cause some confusion. So let's have some fun. Just a little warning if you don't like my style this is the time to change the channel.

Let's say the original poster asked his question this way.
I just got a used CDL expandable RO and my plan is to put it in my abandon Jayco out in the lower 40 that has power from my neighbor's outhouse what amp breaker do I need? Yeah I might have a few more questions for him BUT the answer is still 50 amp.

Now let's say he says I just picked up a used CDL expandable 600 RO and I'm installing it in my shack that has its own stand alone power what size breaker do I need...............................YUP answer is still the same. We wonder why some people hesitate to ask a simple question it's because they get up sold into the next size up without understanding their situation. Yes more info never hurts.

[BAP]

Getting back to the original thread question was what amp breaker for a CDL expandable and the answer is 50 amp. Because the way the CDL works is when you start your start up sequence not all the pumps start up at the same time and once started they don't draw as many amps running as they do starting. A 50 anp circuit will run a 2 post set up that is why they recommend a 50 amp circuit.

Now would a 60 amp circuit be better sure because having more amps available won't hurt because starting and running motors on low voltage is the quickest way to burn them up.

Now you might be saying Chuck why are you being so adamant about about the 50 amp thing?? Well that is the answer to the question. It wasn't a guess or a cheap way to get the right results.

I know we make a lot of assumptions when someone asks a question and that can cause some confusion. So let's have some fun. Just a little warning if you don't like my style this is the time to change the channel.

Let's say the original poster asked his question this way.
I just got a used CDL expandable RO and my plan is to put it in my abandon Jayco out in the lower 40 that has power from my neighbor's outhouse what amp breaker do I need? Yeah I might have a few more questions for him BUT the answer is still 50 amp.

Now let's say he says I just picked up a used CDL expandable 600 RO and I'm installing it in my shack that has its own stand alone power what size breaker do I need...............................YUP answer is still the same. We wonder why some people hesitate to ask a simple question it's because they get up sold into the next size up without understanding their situation. Yes more info never hurts.
A lot of rambling about nothing that didn’t add anything to the thread as usual. Adding a 60 amp breaker alone does not give you more power than a 50 amp breaker if all you change is the breaker. If the wire is not upgraded then it is not a upgrade. The is a lot of people who think they know about being an electrician, but if you don’t have the knowledge you can cause a lot of very expensive damage.

[unc23win]

A lot of rambling about nothing that didn’t add anything to the thread as usual. Adding a 60 amp breaker alone does not give you more power than a 50 amp breaker if all you change is the breaker. If the wire is not upgraded then it is not a upgrade. The is a lot of people who think they know about being an electrician, but if you don’t have the knowledge you can cause a lot of very expensive damage.

I agree with you. I was merely trying to help knowing that I once needed 56 amps and now need 65 but my max would be 105 trying to help someone plan for the future. I don’t really enjoy tearing walls apart to run new wires. I also thought 200 amps for my sugarhouse was plenty now I’m looking at going to 400. Helping someone plan things out for their possible future is helpful. Saying “change the channel” is rather rude.

Thanks maple flats I’m looking into the Appleton plugs you mentioned. I found one for $150 and looks like they fit the 4 wire cord I got very well. Most people look at you strange when you say you have a machine that uses 100 amps.

[Haynes Forest Products]

BAP please DO NOT miss represent what I said. Words have meaning and I clearly used the word Circuit and that is an established way of communicating in the trades. I deal with trades all the time and if I ask the electrician on the job site to run a 20 amp circuit to a certain area they would know what is required. If I then quizzed him if he knew what that meant I would expect some attitude from him.

Jared if you don't like my style then please stop reading them but you clearly had to read on just to be offended.

A circuit is a complete system from start to finish and when we discuss a electrical circuit we mean the breaker in the panel the wire in the wall and the device at the termination point. so BAP please quit dogging me with your constant idiotic complaints it brings nothing to the discussion........but then that's not why you post most of the time is it?

[BAP]

I agree with you. I was merely trying to help knowing that I once needed 56 amps and now need 65 but my max would be 105 trying to help someone plan for the future. I don’t really enjoy tearing walls apart to run new wires. I also thought 200 amps for my sugarhouse was plenty now I’m looking at going to 400. Helping someone plan things out for their possible future is helpful. Saying “change the channel” is rather rude.

Thanks maple flats I’m looking into the Appleton plugs you mentioned. I found one for $150 and looks like they fit the 4 wire cord I got very well. Most people look at you strange when you say you have a machine that uses 100 amps.
Jared, your point was good in saying that you should plan for the future, especially with an expandable machine. Rewiring a whole building stinks because you have outgrown it. When hooking up a particular piece of equipment, you should always wire it according to the manufacturers specs for that particular machine, not the same machine made several years ago. Technology is changing so fast that a 2-3 year old or more machine of the same model, may have different electrical requirements than one made today. Why, because motors, pumps, membranes and other electronics are becoming more efficient. Electrical components are very sensitive to voltage changes, particularly voltage drop, and can burn out because of it. Nowadays, it is too expensive to make mistakes like sizing the wrong electric feed because you didn't take a few minutes to check with the manufacturer or read the book that came with the machine.

[Asa Matras]

Ok guys lets stop arguing about everything! Seems like we're all friendly in person and then we eat each other up online... All I asked was a pretty stinkin' simple Q to those with experience with these units on what they used. Wasn't really looking for what I MIGHT need 100 years from now!

Thanks anyways guys!:)

[UB29]

Matras, Most every manufacturer will apply a nameplate somewhere on the unit, which will clearly state the minimum ampacity (circuit breaker size). Glad to help if you need any guidance. 40+ yr. Master Electrician.