PDA

View Full Version : Insulation recommendation for outdoor head tank



mspina14
01-06-2018, 06:19 PM
I have a 240 gallon stainless steel head tank on an elevated wooden platform outside my sugar shack:

17009

I have it plumbed to my 2X4 Mason evaporator with PVC piping:

17010

I had a problem last year with sap freezing in the pipes. I wrapped them in heat tape and wrapped the heat tape with pipe insulation. The insulation had adhesive on one side and stuck to the heat tape.

This summer, I re-plumbed my head tank and installed a stainless steel ball valve at the bottom of the tank so I could close the valve and drain the sap from the plumbing to prevent freezing. Needless to say, removing the self adhering insulation from the heat tape and pipes was a bloody mess. I had to pull the insulation off piece by piece.

I'm putting the pipes back together now and will re-wrap them them the heat tape.

Does anyone have a suggestion for pipe insulation?

I'm thinking of going with something like this (though it is a bit pricey): https://www.amazon.com/4-1-Elastomeric-Pipe-Insulation-Wall/dp/B076HF6X2T/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1515280627&sr=1-4&keywords=4%22+pipe+insulation

Thanks for any suggestions.

Mark

Will
01-10-2018, 06:21 AM
I have a similar set up, I built a box out of foam board and created a tunnel for my feed pipe. I can reach in from the shack to turn on the valve. If it's crazy cold, I'll set my heat gun on low and hang it so it's blowing down the tunnel.

maple flats
01-10-2018, 08:42 AM
Just go to a plumbing supply store for 1/2" wall or even 3/4" wall pipe insulation. It comes in 6' lengths. Get it 2 or 3 sizes bigger to have room for the heat tape. Then put the insulation on, use high grade duct tape to join lengths. I have a heat tape on my feed lines from my sap tanks to feed my RO, the heat tape and insulation have been on for about 8 or 9 years and are still good. However I did not get big box store heat tape, mine cost about 3x as much and lasts far longer, the big box store heat tape is only good for a year, maybe 2 at best. I don't even leave mine plugged in all the time, if the line freezes, I plug it in, wait about 45 minutes and I have flow, mine is on a 1.5" milk hose.
For your valve, if you close a ball valve with sap in it and it freezes, it will burst, either use 2 ball valves, close the one nearest the tank, drain the line, then close the other valve then open that first valve, or better use: https://www.brewershardware.com/1-Tri-Clover-Butterfly-Valve.html They can freeze without damage. The link is for a 1", but they have sizes up to and maybe larger than 4".

mspina14
01-11-2018, 09:00 PM
Thanks Dave.

Can you provide a link to the heat tape that you use?

I use a generic heat tape that I got off the internet.

Mark

VTnewguy
01-12-2018, 04:22 AM
We have a similar setup but on the cold days when we are done boiling we have a drain back into a storage tank so it doesn't freeze in the line.

maple flats
01-12-2018, 08:36 AM
Thanks Dave.

Can you provide a link to the heat tape that you use?

I use a generic heat tape that I got off the internet.

Mark
Sorry, I do not even have the manufacturer's name. I bought it at Seneca Plumbing and Heating Supply in Vernon, NY. Likely any plumbing supply (the places where full time plumbers buy) will have very similar ones. It was far more expensive and far heavier. It was 7 watts/foot instead of the 3 watt ones at the big box stores.