Shurflo set pictures

[VTnewguy]

Hi All,

I was wondering anyone has a good picture of the setup they use their Shurflo's for? Looking to make a pump setup inside of a plastic tote. looks like I will need a pump, battery, temp controller, and possibly a solar panel charger. Any pictures will be helpful.

Thanks,

Josh

[Wanabe1972]

This is what I use 16985 I have several of these and they work pretty good. They are in cheap coolers and the pump turns off at 32 and the light turns on so they don't freeze.

[Maplewalnut]

Hi All,

I was wondering anyone has a good picture of the setup they use their Shurflo's for? Looking to make a pump setup inside of a plastic tote. looks like I will need a pump, battery, temp controller, and possibly a solar panel charger. Any pictures will be helpful.


Josh

Josh- if you search ither shurflo threads you will find some pictures. Nothing fancy, i would lay your set up out on a table, measure the footprint and that will tell you what size tote to get

[SeanD]

Here's my set up from last year. There's no heating element because the Smart Sap Sucker opens a bypass valve when it gets down to freezing.

http://mapletrader.com/community/showthread.php?29858-Smart-Sap-Sucker-Setup&highlight=smart+sap+sucker

[VTnewguy]

Thank you very much! We are probably going to have to do a battery setup as we don't have power at the sugarbush location.

[SeanD]

Thank you very much! We are probably going to have to do a battery setup as we don't have power at the sugarbush location.

I'm actually taking this tote out to a remote location and putting a battery in then using this power supply for the vac here at the house. I chose a clear tote because there's a small led on the outside of the controller so I can see if it's running.

[mike103]

Here is a pic of the setup im using this spring for 60 red maples. I used plastic tote set up on the ground last year and arthritis in knees complained on periodic maintenance, so unfortunately I switched to this at the expense of 2 feet of elevation on a fairly level woodlot. I still have to waterproof it with poly and learn how to program Inkbird which I saw on a MT members post and it looks a lot less problematic than those 5 dollar relay boards. This is my first year on 3/16 so im cautiously optimistic given that last year with 5/16 dropping into 3/4 mainline line I was chasing airlocks and sagging line frequently. Good Luck and have a great season!

[SeanD]

Mike,

That's the first Inkbird I've seen - very nice! The dual stage is great and makes things very easy for a lamp and pump.

Your pump and filter are inverted compared to mine. My pump housing points down, below the line and the filter basket is above the line. I don't heat my remote setup. The bypass valve opens and everything drains out when the pump shuts off. What's the thinking behind yours?

How do you keep sap from freezing in the pvc manifold on top of the box? Is that bottom valve a bypass and it's able to drain it completely?

Thanks in advance for the input,

Sean

[mike103]

Yes the bottom valve opens when pump shuts off from inkbird relay draining pint of sap remaining in line. I tilt box 5 degrees or so to the right so sap gravity flows thru right hand side into tank. there is a ball valve there as well (not shown) which i can use to recirculate pump from tank when it turns back on above 33 degrees to keep diaphragm wet on slow days. I probably dont need lamp heat with this setup but its redundant freezing protection for pump..

[littleTapper]

I've got my 4008 setup in a plastic tote. Computer power supply mounted under the board holding the pump. Small thermostat (not pictured) turns it on/off. Power supply runs all the time and I also rigged up a light bulb inside it and it's now lined with reflective bubble wrap so it can't freeze up. I should take some updated pics...

http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_20161211_154156.jpg

http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_20170122_110128.jpg

http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_4370.jpg1

[jbutton]

What is your material list. Thermostat,ect

[littleTapper]

What is your material list. Thermostat,ectOh, sorry, I missed your reply. I'd be best trying to type this up on a PC vs my phone when I get a chance. I don't have it all written down anywhere...

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[bcarpenter]

This is my set up.
http://www.littlecreekmaplefarm.com/?p=3721

[mol1jb]

I've got my 4008 setup in a plastic tote. Computer power supply mounted under the board holding the pump. Small thermostat (not pictured) turns it on/off. Power supply runs all the time and I also rigged up a light bulb inside it and it's now lined with reflective bubble wrap so it can't freeze up. I should take some updated pics...

http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_20161211_154156.jpg[/

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http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_4370.jpg1

Are your lines 5/16 or 3/16. I cant tell from the pic

[littleTapper]

Are your lines 5/16 or 3/16. I cant tell from the pic5/16. If I did it again, I'd go 3/16 even though I have next to no slope.

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[mol1jb]

5/16. If I did it again, I'd go 3/16 even though I have next to no slope.

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Why do you say that? I have done 3/16 with no slope and did not work well.

[MunsterMapler]

I'm curious too? I have 5/16 with some slight sags cause I have nowhere to side tie to. Was wondering if I'd be better with 3/16. I also have very little slope maybe 1%

[VTnewguy]

This is my set up.
http://www.littlecreekmaplefarm.com/?p=3721

Very well done. Thank you for the info!

[Super Sapper]

I use 3/16 on all my shurflo systems even with no slope and it works really well. WITHOUT VACUUM it will not work at all with no slope, so if your pump is not running it will not work very well.

[littleTapper]

I'd go 3/16 since I have to take down my lines every season and it would be easier to handle than 5/16. Plus, more feet of tubing per $. Yes, Super Sapper covered the issue of no pump running. I'm flat enough here gravity does nothing. Gotta have the pump.

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[littleTapper]

What is your material list. Thermostat,ect

This should be everything.

Shurflo Parts

Shurflo 4008
2x 1/2" Shurflo strainers - only one hooked up before the pump; bought two so I can easily swap out the screens

Outlet
- 1/2-1/2" F-F threaded PVC
- 1/2 MPT to 5/16 barb (there might be a 1/2" MPT to 1/4" FPT adapter in there)

Manifold (this probably could be done with way less parts)
- 1/2-1/2" F-F threaded PVC
- 1/2" slip union
- 3x 1/2" slip +
- 3x 1/2" slip T
- 3x 1/2" slip to 1/2" MPT 90-deg elbow
- 7x 1/2" slip to 1/2" MPT adapters
- 10x 1/2" FPT valves
- 10x 1/2" MPT to 1/4" FPT reducers
- 10x 1/4" MPT to 5/16 barbs
- enough 1/2" PVC to connect it all

Electronics
- 1 Old AT Computer power supply (with manual power switch)
- Two 12v LEDs - one for indicating the power supply is on, the other to indicate the pump is on
- 1 12v Thermostat - just like this: http://amzn.to/2EMGrHU
- Some lamp parts and a 50w light bulb to keep the inside warm

Extra
- Reflecive bubble-wrap inside for insulation

All tubes connect with quick connectors for easy system break-down.

[sugarwoodacres]

I've got my 4008 setup in a plastic tote. Computer power supply mounted under the board holding the pump. Small thermostat (not pictured) turns it on/off. Power supply runs all the time and I also rigged up a light bulb inside it and it's now lined with reflective bubble wrap so it can't freeze up. I should take some updated pics...

http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_20161211_154156.jpg

http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_20170122_110128.jpg

http://mapletrader.com/maplegallery/data/652/medium/IMG_4370.jpg1
Very nice creativity, have you had any of the barb fittings freeze and break? i was wondering if they were inside the tote if if would be better if the lightbulb heat would prevent breaking due to freeze.

[littleTapper]

Very nice creativity, have you had any of the barb fittings freeze and break? i was wondering if they were inside the tote if if would be better if the lightbulb heat would prevent breaking due to freeze.

Nope. Even below zero temps last season. A slightly bigger tote would help by pulling them inside and keeping them warm. Good observation!

[CampHamp]

A simpler design option to consider is just letting the pump run until well below freezing instead of switching over to gravity. I get a lot of sap between 33 and 29 degrees and want the benefit of vacuum that whole time. Also, I don't like releasing vacuum pressure and letting sap back-flow towards and into the tap holes.

When the sap freezes, crystals bunch up behind the screen and eventually only air can make it through the ice which clears the pump. The pump runs dry in the cold and then the intake line freezes tight. The vac is held for a long time in the tubing after the pump stops with a few inches left over into the morning.

I have been running this way for 4 years and the only pump repair (4048) has been a new drive assembly ($30).

[RileySugarbush]

I run this until it is about freezing up, then disconnect and take it inside. The 3/16 lines drop into the tank for any gravity flow. The red knob is a needle valve for a ecirculation line that sucks up from the tank with a filter on the end so nothing plugs up the valve.

http://mapletrader.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=17773&stc=1

[clustercanoe]

Do you think a shurflo pump would work on a 3/4" line thats 300' long with 40 taps on 5/16" tubing

[VTnewguy]

I run this until it is about freezing up, then disconnect and take it inside. The 3/16 lines drop into the tank for any gravity flow. The red knob is a needle valve for a ecirculation line that sucks up from the tank with a filter on the end so nothing plugs up the valve.

http://mapletrader.com/community/attachment.php?attachmentid=17773&stc=1
Very nicely done! How does it work for you?

[VTnewguy]

I think it could, but that's a lot of air for the tiny pump to move. Only one way to find out.

[RileySugarbush]

This one is new. I had a similar setup last year but with a 120 b motor and PVC pipe manifold. Worked well but this should be better. Less air volume. I love the quick disconnects.

[mike103]

Cluster, I had a similar setup last season and it was dissapointing due to several reasons.
sagging 5/16 line not transfering vacuum, shurflo undersized for 3/4 mainline cfm, need consistant slope on mainline. I have since switched to 3/16 without mainline and production doubled. 75 taps on 3 runs, about 2000' total length.

[clustercanoe]

Thank you very much for that information. I'm going to change for next year. Will 3/16 Line work if I don't have much slope? And was the setup you had with the 3/16 line at 2000 feet in length hooked to the Shurflo

[deckers007]

Here is my setup so far, just waiting on my automatic bypass valve from Amazon to get here, have it running on 175 taps from 7 x 3/16 runs, the shortest being 600' and the longest 1050'. Pulling 24-25 inches of vacuum when the sap is flowing good.

Using a shurflo 4008 with 12 volt deep cycle battery and 2 x75 watt solar panels.

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[clustercanoe]

Thanks again for all the info. Looking forward to trying it out next season

[JPGraphX2]

Hello Deckers007,

Do you let the pump run until your line are frozen? What are your thermostat settings?
Where did you get your barb x 1/2 NPT?

Thanks,
JP


Here is my setup so far, just waiting on my automatic bypass valve from Amazon to get here, have it running on 175 taps from 7 x 3/16 runs, the shortest being 600' and the longest 1050'. Pulling 24-25 inches of vacuum when the sap is flowing good.

Using a shurflo 4008 with 12 volt deep cycle battery and 2 x75 watt solar panels.

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[VTnewguy]

With over 4500+ views there must be a lot of interest in the Shurflo. Lol

[Adkandy]

Does anyone know where to get info on the smart sap sucker controller?I front have facebook and cannot find a website.Thank you.

[raptorfan85]

Hes on here, I think his name is biz. I dont think he has an actual website, just uses his facebook page. Try sending him a pm, he responded to mine when I was interested in his units.

[Biz]

My new website is up, see signature line. Or PM/email me if any questions.
Email mountainmaples3 at gmail dot com
I will be at the Vermont maple conference in Brattleboro Jan 19th with a demo unit and doing a talk on diaphragm pumps, hope to see some of you there.

Dave

[Adkandy]

Will you be attending the NY maple conference in Syracuse?

[Biz]

Sorry not this year, maybe next. Doing the Mass conference Jan 12 and VT conference Jan 19.

Dave


Will you be attending the NY maple conference in Syracuse?

[raptorfan85]

Here's my shurflo setup. Just finished it up today. As of right now it will have 3 runs of 60 taps total. I put ball valves on each run to help find leaks. There's a recirculation line an 2 outlet ports, so I can pump from my collection tank to my storage/head tank. I used a temp controller off eBay like others I've seen on here, and it also has a toggle switch to override the temp controller. I was able to get 25"vacuum with it pretty easily.

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[jbutton]

You remember what the temp. Controller name is on ebay

[raptorfan85]

It was actually amazon...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N035M70/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Thats the one. There are cheaper versions but they dont have the plastic case on them.

[jbutton]

Thank you. It's my next little project. That's cheap enough

[jbutton]

What are you using to convert 12v to 110 in that box

[raptorfan85]

Everything except the light runs off a 12 volt deep cycle battery. The battery is charged by a battery charger that plugs into the GFCI outlet in the box.

Edit; I just re-read your post. I'm not converting 12v to 110, it's the other way around. There's a plug on the outside of the cooler that I run an extension cord to, which runs the charger to charge the battery that runs the pump.

[mike103]

I love your valve setup, one comment though on the electrical and please dont take offense, I see you have a gfi outlet, but it prob should be in outdoor rated box with liquid tight coming in. Im assuming the setup will be outdoors and with rain/snow plus the very nature of sap is a wet business, safety could be an issue. Have a great holiday and best of luck next season!