3/16" Two hand tubing tool.

[vach50]

I'm planning to buy a 3/16" Two hand tubing tool. Bascoms has a Lapierre with no cutter or flare for only $138. Anyone know how well it works? Any other alternatives or suggestions? I think I can get by without a cutter and flare for my 200 taps. Thanks.

[Cjadamec]

You can get by with a PVC/Pex tubing cutting from home depot they are single hand action and will cut the tubing clean and square. It shouldn't cost more than 30 dollars. I use a ridgid PC-1375 tubing cutter but I bought that to plumb a house with pex tubing.

You can use the hot water method to put the tubing on the fittings. Its slower and more cumbersome but will work. Basically you fill a thermos with hot water and stick about an inch of tubing in the water for a few seconds and them push the tubing on the barb by hand. Once the tubing cools, which takes another 10 seconds or so, it's all set to go. They make something called the "hot end system" which is the commercial battery powered equivalent of using a thermos of hot water but that system also cost a couple hundred dollars.

I considered making a tubing tool but using the hot water method has been very easy so far.

[buckeye gold]

cjadamec is right, the hot thermos will get you by just fine if you want to save the money. I just put up 2500+ feet and 100 taps with 3/16th and I carried a hot thermos on a strap that set upright on my chest. If you can find a lid that will screw on it then drill a hole just a bit larger than the tubing and you can walk right along with it. I filled it with boiling water to start and it lasted a good 2-3 hours. Fittings slipped on easily and cooled fast. I tried pulling some apart to test and they would not budge. I think the warm tubing molds to the fitting even better.

I use Kobalt cutter from Lowes....works great

[wnybassman]

The hot water system will work well until you go to cut drops in, replace drops, repair chews, take some slack out mid way down the run, etc, etc. etc. Anything you do not want to lose your tension basically. I have less than 200 taps on tubing and still thought it was money very well spent for a two handed tool. I had "Psparr" here on the forums build me one for a very reasonable price. Should last me for a very long time.

I also still have a 5/16" one handed tool that works very well for 3/16" just by slipping a short 2 1/2" chunk (slit down the side) over the 3/16" then pressing in the fittings. I use this one for the spouts, making the drops and installing to the saddles.

EDIT: Oh, and to answer the question. lol Yes, you can get away without a cutter. Mine has a cutter, but there are certain situations it won't work for what I need to do. I have used diagonal cutters, tin snips and even a pocket knife when I didn't have anything else on me and I was kind of in a pickle to make a cut.

[johnallin]

I agree with Noel...a two handed tool is the best way to cut in drops and do repairs. I have one from Lapiere one of the better $175 I ever spent.
Run your tube through the woods, come back later and tension if needed then cut in your drops. Find a bad spot or a leak, and it's a piece of cake to
cut out bad section and replace with new. $138 for one with no cutter, plus $30 for a PVC cutter is $168. Spend the extra $7 and you'll have both at the ready.
Only down side is that you'll also lose both in the snow at the same time...

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[buckeye gold]

Wynbassman and johnallin, you are right about cutting in drops and repairs. I decided By next year I will want to have a two handed tool. However , for this year the hot water bottle worked just fine as I was putting my tubing up, because I would go back and put the final tension on my tubing after all my tees and drops were in. I saw real quick that it would not go as easy once I had my lines at full tension. My comment was with the understanding he was just putting up tubing.

[mol1jb]

Last year I did the hot water method for installing 60 taps on 3/16. This year I built a tubing tool and installed an additional 80 taps. After using a tubing tool I will never go back to hot water again. Yes it works fine and will get you by but having the tubing tool gives you so many advantages that everyone has already listed.

Here is the tool I built. A variation of the 2 handed tool on a one handed clamp. Cost me around $60 for the materials and used a friends welder for the spot welds. And I have very minimal welding experience.

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[buckeye gold]

mol1jb, That is a pretty neat idea....can I steal that? How well does it work? I already have the clamps and channel locks. I was trying to think of a way to make one out of a set of pruner handles, but I like that idea.

[vach50]

Just ordered a tool from psparr. Looks like the right way to go. Thanks for your help!

[mainebackswoodssyrup]

Just ordered a tool from psparr. Looks like the right way to go. Thanks for your help!

You won't be disappointed. Just used a 5/16 tool he made for the first time today. Worked great, every bit as good if not better than what maple suppliers sell.

[psparr]

Thanks for the compliment!
I appreciate those of you who ordered one.

Would like to ask you all for a favor. I was diagnosed with ocular melanoma about a month ago. Had radiation on the eye, just ask for prayers that it works.

Would like to be around for my kids for a good long while.

Thanks, Pat.

[mainebackswoodssyrup]

Already done Pat, best wishes and stay positive. You'll beat it, keep the faith.

[wnybassman]

You got it, Pat!! Wishing you the best

[BAP]

Thoughts and prayers that you will have many more sugar seasons to come.

[Super Sapper]

Hope you have a fast recovery. One good thing about this obsession is you can escape into thoughts of improvements and expansion.

[mol1jb]

mol1jb, That is a pretty neat idea....can I steal that? How well does it work? I already have the clamps and channel locks. I was trying to think of a way to make one out of a set of pruner handles, but I like that idea.

This was not my idea originally. Many of members on here have made variations. It works well for me and certainly better than hot water. Just keep your channel locks aligned and it should come out just fine. After I welded on the tube holders to the channel locks I clamped both of then to a large nail to keep them straight to one another.

[psparr]

Thought I'd finally make a video of the tubing tools I make. Had a bunch of people asking for pictures, so I figured I'd do one better.

https://youtu.be/NzsjWP3giCQ

[vach50]

I just made 60 drops with my new two hand tool from Pat. Works great, better than the one I borrowed from a friend last year. Thanks Pat, prayers sent out for you and your family!