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Tweegs
03-08-2017, 01:11 PM
Thought I’d kick off a fun little thread.
If you’ve managed to scorch your pan this year, do tell!
Sometimes venting can be a salve for the bruised ego.

First, I’ve just gotta know…Has anyone, besides me, ever made a lollipop in their draw off valve?

We were on our second boil of the season Sunday night and the thermometer said 7* above boiling, time to test.
We just weren’t thinking. This was also our first draw for the season.

We pull a test cup full of near-up, the hydrometer bottoms out. No problem, pour it back in the pan.
My wife was doing the testing, I was a bit puzzled, as moments before that draw I looked into the box at the draw off port and the size of the bubbles said it was really close. After a few years of doing this, you get a feel for when it “looks” right.

My back is turned, I’m headed to check the float box and inlet side of the syrup pan. My wife asks if she should just pour it “in here”. Silly question, I think, of course she should just pour it back in the pan, so I say yes. Then it hit me, we added a syrup pan hood last year, she’s short. I turn around to witness her dumping the test batch back into the box for the draw off port. Now all that near-up is between the draw off and the thermometer.

I cringe for a moment but quickly rationalize that it might be OK, it was nearly syrup after all, and maybe it would have been if we weren’t running 8% concentrate. I also realize that at this point it’s probably better to keep my mouth shut and preserve the peace. I had answered yes.

It wasn’t 15 seconds later that the thermometer read 10* above boiling. Somethings wrong.
I’m on the float box/inlet side now. “Good here” I tell her, “Draw, we’ll worry about the density when we get past this”. “Ummm”, she shoots back.
We’ve been married 15 years and can communicate rather well without even speaking. “Umm”, I’ve learned, is my cue to slam the float, which I do.
“Ahhh” she says in a quiver.

I’ve got the OS bucket maneuver down pretty well, just lift and dump, aiming not required. Because we’ve been here a time or two, I also know that my wife’s quivering “Ahhh” is short for “OS!!!” which directly translates to “Deploy the bucket!”
I did, but it was too late. She watched the thermometer rocket past boiling + 30*.

And then there was that all too familiar stench.

The bucket dump forced a thick pile of foam into the draw off box. It actually looked rather appetizing. Dense, golden brown, with a crispy caramelized glaze.
I did, however, resist the urge to give it a try.

The next day revealed we had scorched about 60% of the last channel in the syrup pan. Fortunately, there was very little warp.

A couple hours of scrubbing later we were back in business. Oh, and another half hour to clear the draw off plumbing.
It was as if someone had cram packed it full of Milk Duds.

In hindsight, we figure that pouring that first draw back in through the draw off box pushed denser syrup backwards towards the syrup pan inlet, which cooled the thermometer, which fooled us. It’s believed we were making syrup further back in the pan and we were in trouble a whole lot sooner than we realized.

So learn from us and don’t pour a test cup back in from where you got it. We normally dump a too thin test in the channel prior to the last, and would have done so, had we been thinking.

DrTimPerkins
03-08-2017, 01:29 PM
Could have been far worse if you hadn't reacted so quickly, so nice job reading your wife I suppose.

pipeline
03-08-2017, 08:42 PM
we have a temp probe in each bay on syrup pan so this shouldnt happen.
sometimes when first starting that will happen and you need to start the movement towards drawoff
o and yes i have burnt and warped a pan or 2. to the point off using a grinder to clean up lol

mspina14
03-08-2017, 10:44 PM
Did this last week trying to get used to my new evaporator:

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Haven't got the draw off process down yet. :emb:

Mark

sappytapper
03-09-2017, 09:04 AM
I should have taken a picture of the first boil I did this year on the new barrel stove evap, but i was too bummed out to do so before I let the steam pan soak in vinegar and hot water over night before hitting it with a wire brush on the drill the next day to get it clean and shiny again...

New evap, second year sugaring, I should have known better than to walk away for 10+ minutes with the already much boiled down remains of 8 or 9g of partially frozen "nature's RO" concentrate. Came out to the smell of roasted marshmallows and a blackened bubbling mess in the back pan.

Hopefully on this rig, at least, that ends up being my only scorch story.

Nice work, OP, on the quick reactions, as I'm sure that could have gotten a lot worse if someone less experienced like myself had been at the helm.

wlatrout
03-09-2017, 11:45 AM
Last year I bought a 2x3 Leader evaporator About mid way through the season I thought I would run up to the house and grab a bite to eat.Well long story short when I got back down to the barn all I see is a cloud of smoke and this black glowing mass that looked like lava glowing red. Needless to say I was pi$$ed at myself for leaving it unattended . It was not only black it was warped. After spending hours cleaning and hammering out the bottom it still works like it should. Thankful for that.

ennismaple
03-09-2017, 01:36 PM
"Someone" forgot to open the valve between the flue pan and the syrup pan when "someone" was boiling yesterday. Things got real exciting when the temperature kept climbing during the first runoff and there was nothing coming behind it! "Someone" has a lot of work ahead of them before the next boil to get the pan back in useable shape.

Sunnyacres
03-28-2017, 10:46 PM
Well today I felt like a true sugar maker, we were running for a couple hours no problems started talking with my father who was watching fire for me and when I stood up to go get more wood I saw the entire pan was almost boiling over with foam. I gave it a squirt of deformer and opened float valve but was a little late. Bottom of syrup pan is toast. The thermometer read 220 and wasn't even in syrup at that point! My wife is going to soak it tomorrow and hopefully start running again tomorrow night. Is there any chance of salvaging any syrup from pan there had to be at least five gallons of syrup in there, it tastes burnt so not sure what t do with it.

Sugarmaker
03-29-2017, 09:00 AM
I cant contribute to this theme this year. I think I have the rig dialed in pretty good after 16 years. Ok I did have a small spot about the size of your hand that I cleaned up!:) Wasnt bad and never used the OS bucket which sets waiting. Not sure when that happened, about mid way through the season? But I do have a comment. I learned the hard way to place the OS bucket of sap where you need it! Into the channel with the problem! Don't try to put it in the other channels to push syrup out.

Forget the syrup for the moment! Save the pan!

BTW I always dump the near syrup back in at the draw off box, but maybe have more volume on my pan??

Regards,
Chris

Trapper2
03-29-2017, 03:49 PM
Well today I felt like a true sugar maker, we were running for a couple hours no problems started talking with my father who was watching fire for me and when I stood up to go get more wood I saw the entire pan was almost boiling over with foam. I gave it a squirt of deformer and opened float valve but was a little late. Bottom of syrup pan is toast. The thermometer read 220 and wasn't even in syrup at that point! My wife is going to soak it tomorrow and hopefully start running again tomorrow night. Is there any chance of salvaging any syrup from pan there had to be at least five gallons of syrup in there, it tastes burnt so not sure what t do with it.

I have requests for smoky syrup every year. If I do get any, I use it myself for marinating steak or roasts along with adding a cup full to my jerky recipe. DO NOT THROW IT OUT!

DrTimPerkins
03-29-2017, 04:06 PM
DO NOT THROW IT OUT!

It's going to take quite a lot of jerky and marinade to use up 5+ gal of scorched syrup.

Sunnyacres
03-29-2017, 08:08 PM
I could never throw out syrup we will probably end up using it as a marinade when we smoke meat in the summer. I also might try making maple wine out of it. We sure do have enough of it!

mspina14
03-29-2017, 10:00 PM
Did this to my syrup pan last week:

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I got a little too over-confident and tried to run the syrup pan at about 3/4" depth on my last boil (I had been running at 1 1/2" to 2" up to then).

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It's my first year with a real evaporator and I am still learning how to get the float valves set just right.

Anyway, the level of sap during a draw-off got very low, maybe below 1/4". It started smoking and smelled terrible. I quickly reached for a bucket of water and poured it into the front syrup channel. Lots of steam/smoke.

I actually finished the boil before I realized I had burned the pan.

Soaking in vinegar now. Lots of scrubbing this weekend coming up.


Mark

DrTimPerkins
03-30-2017, 08:23 AM
I could never throw out syrup....

My apologies ahead for hurting anyone's feelings with this, but stepping up on the soapbox....

If you have some reasonable personal use for "damaged" syrup, then I can agree with this statement. However far too often people will make syrup that has some problem, but then they'll think about all the effort they went to and figure it is "not too bad" and then put it in a bottle/jug and sell it. Sometimes they'll try to dilute it out by mixing the bad stuff with some good stuff and make a bunch of mediocre (at best) stuff . "Not too bad" syrup is NOT the same as "GOOD" syrup. People have to stop thinking that there is a way to salvage their time/money/energy put into syrup when something goes wrong. Learn from it and move on, but don't foist it off on customers as good syrup. Putting crappy syrup into bottles and selling it damages the maple industry. Sometimes, as hard as it may be, pouring it on the ground or feeding it to the pigs is the best thing you can do.

Sugarmaker
03-30-2017, 08:27 AM
Yes our goal is to put the best flavored syrup in the jugs for our customers pancakes!
I don't like to make any off flavor syrup.
Remember there still is a possible market for off flavored syrup on the bulk syrup market, if you can get a buyer to take smaller quantities.
Regards,
Chris

DrTimPerkins
03-30-2017, 08:52 AM
Remember there still is a possible market for off flavored syrup on the bulk syrup market, if you can get a buyer to take smaller quantities.

Yes, there is sometimes a LIMITED market for SOME off-flavors, but it usually comes as part of a package deal. If you sell them 100 barrels of good syrup, they'll take the 2 other barrels that are "not too bad", but you're not going to get much for it either.

motowbrowne
03-30-2017, 10:47 AM
Another good use for bad or not-too-bad syrup is as fertilizer. We add any bad syrup we make to the liquid fertilizer that we feed to our tomato plants.

ennismaple
03-30-2017, 11:29 AM
It makes good bear bait! Ontario brought the spring hunt back last year and the bears loved when my buddy poured the last of the front pan contents onto the stale bread and donuts he had in the barrel.

jmayerl
03-30-2017, 12:22 PM
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Sent from a buddy.....,

saphound
03-30-2017, 12:58 PM
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Sent from a buddy....., Yikes what a mess!

mainebackswoodssyrup
03-30-2017, 01:50 PM
Wow..........now that is a scorched pan :( In regards to bad syrup, fertilizer is a good point. A friend of ours growing pot plants actually buys some just for that. Claims its worth every penny. And yes.........he is licensed to do so.

Sunnyacres
03-30-2017, 02:23 PM
My apologies ahead for hurting anyone's feelings with this, but stepping up on the soapbox....

If you have some reasonable personal use for "damaged" syrup, then I can agree with this statement. However far too often people will make syrup that has some problem, but then they'll think about all the effort they went to and figure it is "not too bad" and then put it in a bottle/jug and sell it. Sometimes they'll try to dilute it out by mixing the bad stuff with some good stuff and make a bunch of mediocre (at best) stuff . "Not too bad" syrup is NOT the same as "GOOD" syrup. People have to stop thinking that there is a way to salvage their time/money/energy put into syrup when something goes wrong. Learn from it and move on, but don't foist it off on customers as good syrup. Putting crappy syrup into bottles and selling it damages the maple industry. Sometimes, as hard as it may be, pouring it on the ground or feeding it to the pigs is the best thing you can do.

No feelings hurt. I wouldn't plan on selling any bad syrup to anyone because they certainly wouldn't come back. I also don't count on syrup for income because it'll take a lifetime to get my investment back. But I do have kids that love maple sugar so I might try cooking some down for them if not the pigs will be happy.

DrTimPerkins
03-30-2017, 06:44 PM
...when my buddy poured the last of the front pan contents onto the stale bread and donuts he had in the barrel.

Donuts and syrup? Probably attracted a bunch of maple producers and police officers too.