Canadian moving to New York

[TwinBay]

Hey Lads-

Moving down from the Ontario to Rye, New York, permanently.
Looking to buy some land for deer hunting and of course sugaring.
Initial thoughts were to look in Dutchess, Columbia, Ulster, Columbia, Albany counties.

Any local tips would be a great help about areas to seek and areas to avoid.

Wanted to do some homework before I started to accept an agents opinion as gospel.

Appreciate any insights;

[BreezyHill]

Dutches is getting a lot of farms split up and houses growing in the 22 corridor, check the taxes and the sports program out very well. If sports is doing good, see if the program wants turf. If so stay away; that is a money pit and your taxes will jump. Check the taxes very closely. Some areas are reasonable...not ours...at all. Brick houses, like our old farm house, log houses...cabins etc. are considered exotic and are taxed at a higher rate than a stick built home.
God forbid you have a farm with two houses, might as well grab you ankles. I am old fashioned...I like to be kissed while getting F-ed.

Hunting wont happen much longer if Obama has his way...only the criminals will have firearms. And boy oh boy will the insurance jump with all the deer being hit all over the place. Seems we go from a good deer herd to huge in two years. We have to start looking at D tags for next year. 28 in the back 30 acre field last night. Got a buddy that has 8 tags between he and his wife. Going to help him fill everyone this season.

Take your time and do your homework well. We have had many people go south. Some stay and a few return...don't have to pay to heat the home much in the winter they say; but the AC is a killer from April to November.

Remember misery loves company... so come on down!

[TwinBay]

Thanks Breezy-

That's exactly the insight I was looking for....

We are moving into Rye; takes are obscene compared to Toronto- oh well.

But I am going to buy 100+ acres of land for recreation well north of there.
We have 100 acres in central Ontario; so I cannot be without some grass and trees now that we are being citi-fied.
I was thinking of the Catskills area somewhere; but just want good hardwood bush and some elevation.
Seems prices are all over the place- so I have a lot of homework yet to do.

[maple flats]

Generally, the farther you buy from larger populations and city centers the lower the price. If you select a town that is growing fast, so will your taxes. Once you do find a "farm" do enough in farming to get a ag. assessment, either in your own maple and others endeavors or lease enough to a farm that does over $10,000/yr on the books. That $10,000 is required as a 2 yr. average to qualify for ag. assessment, which will save plenty in property taxes. If you lease some out to a farmer, they do not need to do $10,000 entirely from your land, it can be the sum total they do adding their owned land + any/all leases.
Good luck, welcome to the spend and tax state.

[BreezyHill]

Flats is right, on parcel we rent is about 20 acres of hay ground and the family saves $1300 on taxes due to the ag reduction.

We had on place we rented only 3 of his 5 ac and he saved also. It was part of a previously large field that got two houses into it. Thou not all towns are the same and some would rather not have ag reductions...but its there to use.

[TwinBay]

You guys sweet on any particular area.
Looking at property right now in Waterloo.
So hard to tell without really getting to know an area.

May wait until deer season and then go for a drive and see where all the pickup trucks are parked- and buy far away from there !

[n8hutch]

Best town In NY would be NewHampshire:lol:

[tuckermtn]

I agree with Nate...!

[BreezyHill]

It really depends on all that you are looking for. My farm has been in the family since 1903, and my family owned and operated a farily famous pottery in Bennington Vt...just across the boarder. So you could say my roots run deep here. I can remember my grand father and mother milking cows in the old barn while I was only 2-3 years old. So for me moving is not an option but for other coming here it can be a challenge.

I take the good, beautiful views, don't like the weather wait a few hours, summers are warm, it usually rains most all year, yup even in the winter some times. Winter is usually not that bad, then there is the last two ice ages of winters. Fall is gorgeous. Deer, turkeys, coyotes, foxes, and even the occasional bear and moose...I can do with out the last two. It isn't sandy or a swamp...atleast not all the time. Bats still live here so bugs are not bad. We have a few Eagles now. I can take a leak in my back ward, slaughter a cow, shoot a deer, skin a fox and nobody will bother you.
On the other: hand I hate paying rent for the farm I own, Its my guns, and I will keep my outside furnace as long as I want.

It was a great place to live until the urbanites came to live here and want to turn small town Upstate New York into an Urban housing project. Now our school is going down the tubes, crime is up, and they want to pave a walking trail???? what is wrong with people now days???

Sorry got on a roll there.

Do diligence is needed to really narrow down your final handful of selections. Go there and drive around check things out for yourself for a weekend. Stop into the local dinner and listen to the people and conversations. Don't ask questions at first just listen, read the paper and talk to some of the older folks. Most will tell you the same.

Polish a turd and its stills a turd.

We had a Lancaster Pa type by part of a farm...went to the local planning board and said I got 6 kids and want to give them each part of the farm...they said fine. 3 months latter he was selling 6 building lots. They all had road frontage and ended mostly at points. It has been a battle ever since.

If it don't fell right drive away...fast.

Good Luck!

[TwinBay]

I appreciate the sage advice Breezy

[maple flats]

Waterloo is a scenic location, in the finger lakes region of NYS. With the fingerlakes help, the winters are milder than much of upstate NY and the summers are slightly cooler for the same reason. If you like deer hunting, there are loads of deer in that entire region. There is lots of farming, both wine grapes and dairy there. I do not know how the taxes run compared to the rest of Upstate NY. From Waterloo, it is a short drive to the famous road race every year in Watkins Glen, and the largest farm show in NYS is in Seneca Falls, the next village east from Waterloo. In and around Waterloo it is rolling hills, heading north the hills lessen and south they increase.
My youngest daughter lived in Seneca Falls while her husband was in Chiropractic College there. We are a rather tight knit family, as is her husband's side, and after he graduated they moved back here and he opened his own practice just 10 minutes from home.

[n8hutch]

All Joking Aside New York is a great state, my wife would go to the Finger Lakes every year if we could. I personally Like the Speculator & Saranac Lakes areas, but that's alot like northern New Hampshire. Probably why I like it. Good luck with your search. Out of curiosity what's a 100 acres of Timberland go for out that way. What would the Taxes be like? 100 Acres in my town In NH. Might go for 150k, but you could probably keep the Taxes around $300 a year with no dwellings on it.

[Flat Lander Sugaring]

i would say VT come be part of the largest maple and best tasting producing state but the taxes are stupid here since the socialist govt just wants leaf peepers, skiers and welfare rats, but you an own fire arms with out any "safe act" in place :lol:.

[TwinBay]

Well we are looking forward to the move.
But taking 30 percent haircut on any Canuck Bucks that head south seems harsh.
looking forward to earning some greenbacks and buying everything back here on sale !

[PACMAN]

you should look into the Adirondaks. Thats where my bush is and there is property for sale if you look.

[BreezyHill]

might be a good idea to only convert what you immediately need in hopes that the conversion rate would swing the other way. Ya never know with the nut cases we have in govt what will happen next.