wet line and dry line on same wire?

[calvertbrothers]

Hey guys just wondering if anyone has put the wet line and dry line on the same wire? Just trying to save money money

[unc23win]

I think it depends on the size of the line and how close your supports are. A lot people like to run the wet and dry line over top of each separated by a foot or two. I have two 1" wet lines that I ran on the same wire for about 300' with no problem, but there is lots of supports.

[calvertbrothers]

I'm running 1 inch for wet line and was thinking 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 for dry

[unc23win]

You probably could do it without issues especially considering in theory the dry line would be empty so it would not weigh as much as the wet. If it didn't work you'll have the time of taking ties off and running another wire.

[morningstarfarm]

Personally I would never try it...your dry line acts as a backup wet line when your main wet line freezes...also if they are tied together how are you going to connect your side lines to the vacuum? To me the connections are going to be too close and you would be much more likely to have your sap in your dry line...or perhaps I am looking at it all wrong??..also, having just run 600' of 11/2 inch main line...you really need to double wire it or it will sag something terrible...and support the line every 8-10' minimum!...also, I don't think you will even find wire ties to fit both lines anywhere...just my .02...but my pappy always said there are only two ways to do a job in the sugarbush....the right way and again....with again costing several times as much as you thought you were going to save...And what are you trying to save?...some wire and ties...probably less than a hundred bucks total...what is it going to cost you in time and lost sap to take the time to go back and redo the line?...guarantee it will be more than that...not to mention...piece of mind for the job done right...priceless...

[brookledge]

Yes I have done it. In theory the dry line needs to be about 18 inches above th wet line but mostly depends on your booster/manifold, as to how long it is. Getting back to how I do it. My slope is very good so I run both lines on the same wire until I get near the area of the manifold. At there I will start a second wire that is 18 inches above and run at a lesser slope until the two lines meet again. At that point both lines are together again
Keith

[calvertbrothers]

I have tons of pitch the first 700' from my releaser to a path that I will have to run a wire across the path then take it down at the end of season. I thought could run a single wire till the other side then run a second wire 18" above like normal. And that first 700' has no taps

[adk1]

Well technically your dry line can just lay on the ground if you want it there.

[jmayerl]

Personally I would never try it...your dry line acts as a backup wet line when your main wet line freezes...also if they are tied together how are you going to connect your side lines to the vacuum? To me the connections are going to be too close and you would be much more likely to have your sap in your dry line...or perhaps I am looking at it all wrong??..also, having just run 600' of 11/2 inch main line...you really need to double wire it or it will sag something terrible...and support the line every 8-10' minimum!...also, I don't think you will even find wire ties to fit both lines anywhere...just my .02...but my pappy always said there are only two ways to do a job in the sugarbush....the right way and again....with again costing several times as much as you thought you were going to save...And what are you trying to save?...some wire and ties...probably less than a hundred bucks total...what is it going to cost you in time and lost sap to take the time to go back and redo the line?...guarantee it will be more than that...not to mention...piece of mind for the job done right...priceless...
This statement is 100% correct

[unc23win]

Yes I have done it. In theory the dry line needs to be about 18 inches above the wet line but mostly depends on your booster/manifold, as to how long it is. I run both lines on the same wire until I get near the area of the manifold.

This is what I was thinking if your wet line is proper size and the two lines enter the manifold far enough apart the dry line won't get sap in it and even if it did it is slope the same as the wet. Its not the common way, but it would work. As adk said technically a dry line can run on the ground.

[BreezyHill]

I totally understand the desire to save money...this is not a spot that I would suggest saving money.

and tap counts and nearly every evening when the wet line freezes the dry line start running. I do have a different environment since I have a brook that runs less then 100' from the sugar house that freezes the mains before the bush freezes.

This happens in many bushes that the low area freezes before the upper warm sections chill for the night.

One could place supports more frequently and have a support that will hold the dry line at a uniform height above the wet line and pull the dry line tight to limit saps; but remember that if there is any sap, then sap will pool in that spot and block vac transfer.

One thing I notice of systems that have more than one main on a support wire is the mains become twisted and pools occur. I am sure this was not a designed occurrence but an issue that just happened.

Weight your options and see if there is another place to save the cost of the wire.

Good Luck!

[calvertbrothers]

I guess i'll run the second wire

[BAP]

You will only be saving about $30 in wire if you go for 1 wire in that first 700'.

[morningstarfarm]

Not to beat a dead horse here, but if you are running that dry line in 11/2 then I would strongly suggest that you double wire it....it weighs a ton and sags something fierce...good luck

[GeneralStark]

Not to beat a dead horse here, but if you are running that dry line in 11/2 then I would strongly suggest that you double wire it....it weighs a ton and sags something fierce...good luck

That or support it every 10 ft.

[calvertbrothers]

I have a hole bunch of t-posts laying around. Its just a pain in the *** spot for wire. Its in a crick bed and there is barley any tie backs and there is a lot of tight s-shaped bends in it.

[jason grossman]

For years lapeirre did installations with 2in pvc dry line and 1 1/4 wet line all on a 5/16 cable side tied with 9ga soft wire. I have installed some this way and rebuilt some. These were very good and high preforming systems. Still posting every 5 paces, but very strong.

[collinsmapleman2012]

if it helps, string the wire, then put the tubing on, then sidetie it. I only do it when the lines are high in the air though. go double wire you won't regret it.