NH Production???/

[68bird]

Okay got my official United States Maple Production Amanack today! Why does it state that Nh only has 7800 taps, and produces only 20',00 gallons of syrup/ Bascoms has 65,t000 taps alone!

[tuckermtn]

what is the united states maple production almanac? is it a usda publicaition? or is it the publication that is advertised in the Maple News? i

[maple flats]

If they get their info from the Ag Census, inaccuracies are mostly the result of producers not returning the info, thus their taps and syrup never get counted. But My first suggestion is to read it again. Many reports that deal with high numbers will report the numbers maybe like this: 7800 taps (but some where it will indicate that the numbers x1000 or something. If that is the case the total might be 7,800,000 taps. Look again.

[spud]

Okay got my official United States Maple Production Amanack today! Why does it state that Nh only has 7800 taps, and produces only 20',00 gallons of syrup/ Bascoms has 65,t000 taps alone!

I got the same book today in the mail. For New Hampshire it say's there is 78,000 Taps and 20,000 gallons of syrup produced.

Spud

[madmapler]

I got that almanac a couple of days ago and although there was a lot of good info, I found some of it difficult to interpret. Whats the difference between production 1000 gal. and gallons 1000 gal.? The asterisk says lbs.x1.51+gal. I'm confused.:confused:

[maple flats]

I don't even buy those numbers. It can't be possible that Bascom has 65,000 taps and the rest of the state only adds another 13,000 taps. Are all of Bascom's taps in NH or does he have some in Vt?
I still say a whole lot of NH producers don't participate in the census and fall thru the cracks.

[spud]

There is no way any of the numbers are even close to being right. They can only be as good as the information giving to them. There are hundreds of sugar maker's that don't share their numbers with anyone. A lot of people don't want the government knowing what they are doing and try to hide their syrup money. There are also dead beat dad's that have 15,000 taps but only claim to make a few hundred gallons per year. I know a few of these guys and it's wrong.

Spud

[Thompson's Tree Farm]

Who publishes this almanac anyway. It doesn't sound like it is anything from USDA

[Thompson's Tree Farm]

Just checked NASS numbers for NH production for 2013. they have 460,000 taps and 124,000 gallons produced. This is the number that the USDA has. Don't have a clue where that other info is coming from. I doubt either is accurate but the NASS will be a bit closer. still suffers from lack of reliaBLE AND COMPLETE DATA.

[tuckermtn]

I think Doug's last set of numbers are close to the best guess we can get. The number and gallons divided by the number of taps is close to the right ratio. Do the rest of the numbers in the almanac jive for other states? The other number I seem to remember off hand was vermont produces around 1 million gallons of syrup.

[maple flats]

I think I read that the NASS numbers take the census data submitted and add a % to account for those who lie or don't submit at all. I'm not sure how they know what % to add, but it is likely in the ballpark.

[tuckermtn]

My almanac arrived in the mail today. If I had to guess, it looks like whoever did the layout/template for the first page of each state where they indicate taps, gallons produced and yield per tap copied the page from Connecticut, changed the heading to NH, and forgot to change the numbers.

The rest of the numbers in the NH report are what I had heard last summer, with 460,000 taps and production of 124,000 gallons.

What is crazy to look at for me is the NH historical data. If I am reading it right, it looks like in 1917 NH made 936,000 gallons of syrup. All with buckets....

[68bird]

ya, was sittin in my stand this afternoon, and reading it again, and saw that Dave. Those early numbers do seem out of whack!

[eustis22]

I think Chris does that by himself.

[red maples]

yeah from our tour of Bascom's at the summer meeting Bruce showed us a chart that he started many years ago and how they have grown in number of taps vs syrup made. and they are at about 75,000+ taps and made roughly 28,000 gallons of syrup for 2013 if I remember correctly.

I don't know the tap count but on the next page Bodie peters (NHMPA President) said for the 2013 production was close to 130,000 gallons and I would say most of those numbers don't count all the little producers either. or maybe it does I don't know???

[TheMapleNews]

Hi folks,

Yes, we put out the U.S. Maple Syrup Almanac (it comes free with your Maple News subscription) and we goofed on the title page of New Hampshire. The data on the inside pages (starting on page 45) is correct however. 460,000 taps in New Hampshire in 2013, according to USDA data supplied to us.

It is also correct that there is a lot of underreporting out there.

--Peter Gregg

[68bird]

Thanks Gregg for clearing that up!