Quebec production 2013

[CBOYER]

http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/1184311/recolte-2013-de-sirop-de-la-quantite-et-de-la-qualite

120.3 M pounds
2.82 lbs/tap average
42.7 M taps
Very good quality

[spud]

I am not good at reading French. If I read it right though it say's Vermont made more syrup and it tasted better. :lol:

Spud

[CBOYER]

spud is a trolll....:o

[Randy Brutkoski]

If you click on the English it isn't English ,it is slang French. what the hell. We do make better syrup down here cboyer, sorry.

[sjdoyon]

i was raised on reading and speaking Frenglish, i think the article stated that Quebec produced 120.3 million pounds of syrup, a new record production, with an average of 2.82 pounds per tap for about 7,300 producers.

[CBOYER]

If you click on the English it isn't English ,it is slang French. what the hell. We do make better syrup down here cboyer, sorry.

If you dont want to have the prime information, get away. it is not Vermont forum, it is Tapping Canada section. Information is in french because serious Maple Syrup production is made in french.

[Greenwich Maple Man]

http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/1184311/recolte-2013-de-sirop-de-la-quantite-et-de-la-qualite

120.3 M pounds
2.82 lbs/tap average
42.7 M taps
Very good quality

My hat is off to all the producers in Quebec ! Lots of syrup produced up there for sure ! I've never tasted a drop so would not be fair for me to state what the flavor is like. I would guess it is good syrup . I will say that 2.82 pounds per tap is nothing to be overly proud about though .

[spud]

CBOYER,

A 2.82 LB per tap is nothing to brag about. In fact if thats all I could get for average I would quit sugaring. Quebec's overall production is very good like you say but their Pounds per tap is very poor. I think a lot of that has to do with the size trees you guy's up north tap. Some of your trees start to bend over when the buckets full. Just look at some of the photos on the CDL and Lapierre catalogs over the years. It looks like they tap them for a few years and then sell them for fence post.

Spud

[CBOYER]

spud you still a troll...
I'm sur you will ask soon to change the name of Vermont, since it is a french name...

Remember that Qc producers are under a Quotas... a lot of them stop producing when they reach it, because any over production go to reserve, and will be paid in future years only. If they could produce as they want, you had to quit maple production since the price go down.

Oh, and no one of them put a bucket on a tree, they only put a small tubing...

[spud]

Now you are saying nobody in Canada uses buckets but you use 170 of them. If Canada was able to make all the syrup they wanted Vermont Maple Syrup would still sell just fine world wide and get a good price. It's the Mrs. Butter Worth and Log Cabin syrups that might take a hit. Is Aunt Jermiama French? The next time you drive to Vermont to get your gas, food and clothes please feel free to stop by for a visit.

Spud

[delivron]

Translation Via Google translate

2013 Harvest syrup: the quantity and quality


Longueuil, QC, June 14, 2013 / CNW Telbec / - The temperatures, extremely favorable for sap flow observed throughout the months of March and April on the whole territory of Quebec maple syrup have a magnificent production of syrup 2013. Indeed, except for the week of 14 to 21 March where even the Quebec maple took advantage of a break, the exceptional conditions of light freezing at night and thawing during the day, however, with temperatures rarely exceeding 12 degrees, allowed maple achieve a level of production that now go down in history. Thus, 42.7 million cuts in production 7,300 maple businesses Quebec have produced 120.3 million pounds of syrup, a new record production, with an average of 2.82 pounds per notch. We can therefore speak of a good harvest. Recall that previous records dated from 2009 with a production of 109 million pounds and an average production of 2.65 pounds notch. However, there is not the amount that was the appointment in 2013, but also the quality. Thus, ranking reports made so far show a very good quality in the harvest, which is certainly due in part to the absence of a heat wave during the sugars.

"The peculiarity of this year? A time optimal sugar that is spread over a relatively long period for all regions of Quebec. From the second week of March, all regions of Quebec were already in production, which is truly outstanding, and all have produced at least until the penultimate week of April, which is still most outstanding "says Serge Beaulieu, president of the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers. "In this way, the maple at the east end of Quebec, specifically in the Lower St. Lawrence, had yields (2.96 lb / cut) as high as their brothers and sisters in western Montérégie ( 2.93 lb / notch). "

Which will play a strategic reserve roles

From 2009, following the relative low successive harvests from 2005 to 2008, the strategic reserve formed gradually since then had played a role in ensuring supply in developing markets, both at the national level and abroad . Cash from an actuarial point of view, a level considered optimal by 39 million pounds early in the season, it will probably be called to rise significantly during the year, but will now also play a stabilizing role prices until the harvest results in future years. Convention with marketing, strategic reserve is one of the essential tools that maple producers were given during the last decade to stabilize supply and prices and thus enable the development of all the maple syrup industry.

About FPAQ

Founded in 1966 to defend and promote the economic, social and moral interests of its 7,300 maple businesses, many men and women working together in the collective marketing of the Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers mission their products. Thanks to the quality of their work and their products, Quebec accounts for about 75% of the world's maple syrup.



Harvesting maple syrup in Québec
Year Total Volume
(Farm sales, retail
and bulk
million pounds) yield
(Pounds per tap)
2013 120.3 2.82
2012 96.1 2.24
2011 101.9 2.39
2010 88.1 2.04
2009 109.4 2.65
2008 58.8 1.56
2007 61.7 1.73
2006 68.6 1.99





ESTIMATED PRODUCTION OF MAPLE SYRUP IN 2013 BY REGION OF QUEBEC MAPLE SYRUP



Administrative Region Number
Business Performance

Number of Producers (Lbs /tap) Total Lbs Taps
Chaudière-Appalaches 3 318 2.69 44,235,128 16,474,197
Bas-St-Laurent, Gaspésie 575 2.96 24,688,950 8,342,621
Townships 840 2.85 19,865,933 6,971,161
Centre-du-Québec, Mauricie 845 2.94 13,810,532 4,697.952
Montérégie 516 2.93 7,511,000 2,564,937
Capitale-Nationale,
Saguenay / Lac-Saint-Jean 209 3.06 4,285,971 1,401,846
Laurentides, Outaouais,
Abitibi-Témiscamingue 162 2.72 4,000,482 1,471,088
Lanaudière, Laval, Montreal 148 2.52 1,925,839 763,761
TOTAL 6 613 2.82 120,323,835 42,687,563
Source: AGÉCO Group 2013 Estimated average yield production of maple syrup and the number of taps, by region and throughout Quebec for 2013



SOURCE: FEDERATION OF QUEBEC MAPLE SYRUP PRODUCERS
Information:
Paul Rouillard, agr., Deputy director
Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup Producers
paulrouillard@upa.qc.ca
Tel. : 450 679-7021, ext 8330

[Flat Lander Sugaring]

I am not good at reading French. If I read it right though it say's Vermont made more syrup and it tasted better. :lol:

Spud

HAHAHAHAHA ROFL Spud, look at how he posted the weights! he wants to be American so bad he is leaving his metric units behind posting in LB'S, OZ'S its ok Boyer come down here where the real trees are

just googled Boyers La Sucre its actually pretty nice
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e234/poultneyfiredog18/Hunting%20n%20deer%20camp/0e47e425-a98f-4e33-aa52-ed61d30ed73a_zpsa54b6a84.jpg (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/poultneyfiredog18/media/Hunting%20n%20deer%20camp/0e47e425-a98f-4e33-aa52-ed61d30ed73a_zpsa54b6a84.jpg.html)

[happy thoughts]

This thread sure got ugly fast! :cry: What has happened to the forum I have grown to love where producers of all sizes and locations could come for help and support and share their love of all things maple? CBoyer is right that this was posted in a tapping Canada section and I believe it's intent is to be informative for his fellow Canadian producers. FWIW imho everyone else should try a little harder to mind their manners. Large producer or backyard hobbyist, Canadian or American, we are all in this together and share a common interest :D

[Flat Lander Sugaring]

This thread sure got ugly fast! :cry: What has happened to the forum I have grown to love where producers of all sizes and locations could come for help and support and share their love of all things maple? CBoyer is right that this was posted in a tapping Canada section and I believe it's intent is to be informative for his fellow Canadian producers. FWIW imho everyone else should try a little harder to mind their manners. Large producer or backyard hobbyist, Canadian or American, we are all in this together and share a common interest :D

just having some fun with Boyer Happy Thoughts I love every one the same xoxoxoxo

[happy thoughts]

Thanks Flat Lander :). I appreciate the heads up. This forum has always been a special one to me. I just didn't want it to turn into a competition over who has the larger .... er.... "evaporator" lol:). I'd lose that contest because I don't have one:).

All the best to my fellow traders and a syrup smothered French Toast to you CBOYER :)

[spud]

This is nothing but off season humor. CBOYER takes jabs at us at times so we are just having fun. I am sure CBOYER is a real nice guy and he would always be welcome to stop by my place for a visit. He is a proud Canadian and I respect him for that. Like I have said in past post most of my friends are French living on both sides of the border. We always take jabs at each other and it is all in good fun. Happy Thoughts, I know you mean well but you might be a little too South to understand some of our way's of joking with each other. There may be times it seems disrespectful but I can assure you it's all in good fun for me.

Spud (Troll):lol:

[happy thoughts]

Happy Thoughts, I know you mean well but you might be a little too South to understand some of our way's of joking with each other.

Spud (Troll):lol:

You're likely right and I appreciate the explanation :)

[CBOYER]

Wow! just find a picture of Flats operation, state of the art high tech:
7867
realy need Maple tap act funds...

[CBOYER]

Now you are saying nobody in Canada uses buckets but you use 170 of them. If Canada was able to make all the syrup they wanted Vermont Maple Syrup would still sell just fine world wide and get a good price. It's the Mrs. Butter Worth and Log Cabin syrups that might take a hit. Is Aunt Jermiama French? The next time you drive to Vermont to get your gas, food and clothes please feel free to stop by for a visit.

Spud

The information on the Qc production is for commercial producer that are under FPAQ. Theres a lot of hobby guys like me that are not included.

You have good price because we regularize the prices, but future is incertain...
take a read on some informations:

Canada produces 80% of the world’s pure maple syrup, 91% of which is produced in Quebec. Canada’s maple syrup producing regions are located in the provinces of Quebec (primary producer), Ontario, New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island and Nova Scotia. There are more than 8,600 maple syrup businesses in Canada. The Federation of Quebec Maple Syrup (FPAQ) ensures the economic, social and ethical interests for the more than 7,400 maple businesses in Quebec.

Maple syrup has long been part of Canada’s cultural fabric. The country’s Amerindian peoples taught the early settlers how to harvest sap and boil it to make maple syrup. Today, Canadian maple syrup is exported to approximately 50 countries, including the U.S. which is the primary importer. In 2007, Canada produced 67.6 million pounds of maple syrup yet exported 67.7 to the U.S. using reserve supply from previous years to support the growing exportation demand.


http://www.purecanadamaple.com/

[CBOYER]

And like Chumlee, you could add to your signature:

Spud, the official Troll of the Trader

[Randy Brutkoski]

Your picture is too small. I cant tell if you look like a leprechaun or a hobit.

[CBOYER]

Your picture is too small. I cant tell if you look like a leprechaun or a hobit.

we need to explain you all... just click on it, it will appear larger (it's magic:rolleyes:) you will see Flats lander sugaring air conditioning sugarshack...:o

[Flat Lander Sugaring]

that pic was moled from the NSA, nothing is safe any more, always sold to the highest bidder

[spud]

And like Chumlee, you could add to your signature:

Spud, the official Troll of the Trader

How come Randy does not get a nickname? It almost does not seem fair. I'm giving CBOYER the new name of ( TINY ) :lol:

Spud

[Randy Brutkoski]

Yeah ,I feel left out. I want a nickname Cboring. I mean boyer.

[spud]

Give TINY time. He must be sleeping on it.

Spud

[maple flats]

While CBOYER is a small producer, he is a fellow Maple Trader. I think it is time to stop the bickering in both directions. We are here for the betterment of the industry, there is no place for much of this type of fighting back and forth. We should respect all others big or small and return to what we do best, share ideas and hash out new methods.

[spud]

On a more serious note I have a question. CBOYER brings up the fact that Canada makes 80% of all the syrup made. I don't think anyone is surprised to hear this because Canada really does kick Butt when it comes to maple production. The numbers CBOYER gives us say's that most all Canada's syrup is sold to the US and then we pack it and ship it to over 50 countries. If this is the case then who really rules the maple industry itself? Yes Canada kicks butt in production but if they need USA to market their syrup world wide then is it USA that is regulating how much syrup Canada can make each year? If this is the case then what is going to happen when Vermont, New York and Maine all continue to expand in the maple industry? Will Canada be told that they have to slow down even more on how much they can make? How come Canada does not cut out the middle man (USA) and find their own markets world wide? It would raise the price of syrup to our friend in the North for sure. We here in Vermont could sell our syrup because of the Vermont name and the Fancy Grade. Other states might have a harder time selling their syrup world wide. If you go to west coast store's all I have ever seen was Vermont syrup or Product of Canada syrup. So my other question is does the USA control the Federation in Canada? CBOYER is good at providing us with facts so I have to thank him for that.

Spud

[Flat Lander Sugaring]

Yeah ,I feel left out. I want a nickname Cboring. I mean boyer.
"SLEEPY" I think I can dig a picture up of a sugar maker a sleep in a chair while evaporator runs wild

All in fun Maple Flats

[happy thoughts]

The numbers CBOYER gives us say's that most all Canada's syrup is sold to the US and then we pack it and ship it to over 50 countries. If this is the case then who really rules the maple industry itself? Yes Canada kicks butt in production but if they need USA to market their syrup world wide then is it USA that is regulating how much syrup Canada can make each year? If this is the case then what is going to happen when Vermont, New York and Maine all continue to expand in the maple industry? Will Canada be told that they have to slow down even more on how much they can make? How come Canada does not cut out the middle man (USA) and find their own markets world wide? It would raise the price of syrup to our friend in the North for sure. We here in Vermont could sell our syrup because of the Vermont name and the Fancy Grade. Other states might have a harder time selling their syrup world wide. If you go to west coast store's all I have ever seen was Vermont syrup or Product of Canada syrup. So my other question is does the USA control the Federation in Canada?

Spud

Hmm. I'd say the US is not the middle man but the market even if it is bought bulk and repackaged. Obviously US production can't keep up with US demand or there would be no need to import more from Canada for sale in the US. If US production increases so that prices fall, there is no reason to assume US producers won't develop their own federation of sorts to stabilize prices as Quebec does. Either that or go for Ag subsidies like many other US crops still enjoy. As for VT "fancy" is that really anything but semantics? It's not like other producers outside VT can't produce the same to sell under a different grade standard/name.

[heus]

I dont see the U.S. ever developing a "federation" seeing how we are not a socialist economy. Wait I guess we have been the last 5 years.

[tuckermtn]

I think the Quebec federation sells a lot of syrup overseas, particularly to "new" markets in Asia. If they didn't have global markets, I think you would see a lot stricter quota for Quebec producers.

I think the federation sees the increasing production in the US (Maine and New York in particular) and has been actively cultivating global markets to make up for their declining share of the US market.

[tuckermtn]

looking at the USDA numbers, the US made an estimated 3.2 million gallons compared to Quebec's 10 million gallons. With the other provences of Canada making syrup as well, I think Quebec no longer makes the 75% of the worlds maple syrup that they claim.

[CBOYER]

first, Mr Rancid Syrupski, i dont find any name for you, since i never see a picture of you, camera problem ?

Second, to answer Spud questions:
http://www.siropderable.ca/Afficher.aspx?page=92&langue=fr

you have there every stats that FPAQ makes on maple syrup. it is in french, but numbers are in english (:rolleyes:)

some numbers in exportations are for total Canadian productions.
in 2009 Canada export 75.2 M lbs total
53.55M lbs were exported in Usa
theres a list of all countries that receive syrup.

theres another page that declare 48.4M lbs for 2011

We know that a lot of this syrup goes for Usa market, bottled in Usa or bulk for processed foods.

A lot of FPAQ members discuss about increasing production in USA. recent Maple act could make move something here.
FPAQ limits new installation to nearly nothing here, and for sure somes QC producers ask why in Usa they promote new taps and here they stop expansion.

We all know then potential for new taps in Usa, but is it a REAL potential???
Here in Qc, if they open quotas for 10M new taps, they are avalaible for next season, and this is a conservative evaluation.

Right now, Syrup price is artificial (Yes, not Pure:lol:). It is maintain because FPAQ socialist base, to give a fairly high price to producers. If they open the market to free choice price will go down to an estimate $2.10/pound.

[CBOYER]

and for the "Middle", distributors are the ones that makes the more money in all industries.
a lot of them start locally, expand in Usa, and finally, to reduced taxes to pay, they move south, attracted by grants to establish a canning or process plant.

Québec is a saturated market for Syrup; we are only 7M in population, and FPAQ is only the "commercial-industrial" part. You get also the very small producers, like me and so much others of 800-2000 taps that dont have any quotas, and sell their syrup "at the farm". (no stores)

[CBOYER]

If we look at Usa production for the last years:
2008 21M lbs
2009 26.5M lbs
2010 21.5M lbs
2011 30.8 M lbs
2012 21M lbs
2013 35.8M lbs

it is very hard to developp a world class market for a product with this kind of variation for supply. Years like 2008, 2010, 2012 are a third less in production. (it is every 2 years :confused:) if there was'nt the FPAQ reserve (pasteurized) to fill the market, customers prices had to goes so high, that they will get away from the product. I dont talk for local customers, think large.

[maple flats]

These production numbers are always skewed to grossly incorrect for many reasons on both sides of the border. I fill out the census report each year but many don't because they feel the "government has no business knowing production". They fail to see benefits to the industry what counts are accurate. Many feel that the tax man will knock on their door if a count is submitted. There are others that just fall thru the cracks, usually smaller producers, but lots of small producers added together with lots of others would likely generate some staggering numbers on both sides of the border. This is not to dispute that Quebec is the largest maple producer by a huge margin, it just tries to point out the errors in any count.
In regards to a Federation type set up on this side of the border, I really enjoy things as they are. I want a free market system.

[CBOYER]

Qc numbers given in June are based on a survey.
Numbers in October economic reports for Qc are accurate, they are based on FPAQ payments to producers.
$$ make good surveys...

[CBOYER]

looking at the USDA numbers, the US made an estimated 3.2 million gallons compared to Quebec's 10 million gallons. With the other provences of Canada making syrup as well, I think Quebec no longer makes the 75% of the worlds maple syrup that they claim.

From 2012 FPAQ economic document:

- For 2012, Quebec accounted for 92% of Canadian production and 76.5% of world production.

- In 2011, maple products of Quebec were sold in 52 countries around the world.

- In 2011, the share of Canadian exports go to the United States was 65.5%. The two other main export markets are Japan, whose share of total exports 8.9% and Germany totaled 6.3%.

[spud]

and for the "Middle", distributors are the ones that makes the more money in all industries.
a lot of them start locally, expand in Usa, and finally, to reduced taxes to pay, they move south, attracted by grants to establish a canning or process plant.

Québec is a saturated market for Syrup; we are only 7M in population, and FPAQ is only the "commercial-industrial" part. You get also the very small producers, like me and so much others of 800-2000 taps that dont have any quotas, and sell their syrup "at the farm". (no stores)

A few weeks ago you made a comment about someone from Quebec selling their syrup on Craigslist. You said that was wrong and I said let him do whatever he wants with his syrup. You told me to respect the Quebec laws. Here your saying a person with 800-2000 taps can just sell their syrup at the farm. Is there a certain tap amount one can have or a certain syrup amount one can make without being a part of the Federation? Does a person have to belong to the federation or can they just branch out on their own? How much do you sell syrup for at the farm?

Spud

[Randy Brutkoski]

Good question spud. I could never really understand how they did that. Hopefully the almighty Cboyer can explain without shoving the Canadian flag down our throats.

[CBOYER]

A few weeks ago you made a comment about someone from Quebec selling their syrup on Craigslist. You said that was wrong and I said let him do whatever he wants with his syrup. You told me to respect the Quebec laws. Here your saying a person with 800-2000 taps can just sell their syrup at the farm. Is there a certain tap amount one can have or a certain syrup amount one can make without being a part of the Federation? Does a person have to belong to the federation or can they just branch out on their own? How much do you sell syrup for at the farm?

Spud

No theres no minimum or maximum taps to be under FPAQ. The base rule is if you want to sell bulk (container over 5 litres), or to sell elsewhere than at the farm, you need by law to have a quota from the FPAQ and in recent years, no new quotas ares avalaible; i read somewhere that they are at least 1200 producers on the waiting list for new quotas. having more than 2000 taps and selling only at the farm is very difficult, since youre not alone in this situation, and even those with quotas sells at their places.
Just here in Milan (350 peoples +/-), we have Lapierre sugar bush 145,000 taps, 2 others at or near 100,000 taps, and many from 20, 000 to 40,000 taps. theres a lot more maple tree than people in my area.
I tap for hobby only, i could tap 1000-1500 on my lot, but i will stay with my syrup...

In the example you refer, the producer want to sell syrup from QC to Usa; it is not a "farm" sale it is exportation, an this is regulated.

FPAQ is at first a farmer syndicate, that vote and ask for rules, and Government put laws for them. They give some "power" to FPAQ to applied thoses laws. FPAQ operations is entierly paid by producers.

Maple Syrup is mainly sell in 540 ml cans, 8 cans for a gallon and prices around here are $45 to $65. Most syrup sales are extra light, light and medium (all grade A for Usa grade)

[spud]

That is way too much government control for me. How long have the 1200 people been on the waiting list? I assume they are already sugaring and just want to add more taps. It appears that some are making a lot of money yet preventing others from doing the same. Why does Mr. Lapierre get 140,000 taps and Joe Blow down the road gets only 10,000 taps? Is it based on the amount of land you own?

Spud

[Flat Lander Sugaring]

ok Boyer I have the answer for you. Just like mexicans and the southern border, make a stainless(extra gas tank) paint it black fill it up with your syrup and drive down to highland. just saying

[Amber Gold]

The ribbing aside, this has been an informative thread. I always wondered how the federation worked and the numbers are interesting.

Overall, I think the federation's a good thing. If I understand things correctly, the market's stabilized considerably since the federation was incorporated...everyone benefits. Please correct me if I'm wrong. How's the federation socialist when it's run, and paid for, by the producers? The government enforces the rules the federation has, correct? I could see an issue where once you're in, you're one of the good ole boys. If there's a 1200 producer waiting list, it can't be all bad. Didn't the big producers get that big by buying up quotas from smaller producers? Really no different than the big farmers in the US buying up all the small farms.

[happy thoughts]

The ribbing aside, this has been an informative thread. I always wondered how the federation worked and the numbers are interesting.

I agree Josh and although no system is perfect it seems to me that prices set from the supply side have to be a lot more beneficial to producers than when set by the middle man- the bulk buyers and wholesale packagers as I assume is done here in the US. Which brings me to ask exactly how are bulk prices set here? Who determines the bulk rate?

[maple flats]

To some extent the federation prices guide the US prices. However, they rise and fall much more as the laws of supply and demand drive them. As the bulk market buyer needs more syrup to meet their commitments the price rises and vise versa. I think this is as it should be. Anytime prices are frozen artificially the producers are not guided to properly meet future demands, in either direction. If the price is held artificially high we expand and if artificially low we hold or some even reduce. When this is not in direct correlation to the world market producers are not ready to meet that demand by having responded properly. It can generate big surpluses if the set price was too high and shortages if it was set too low. For these reasons I want the prices to reflect the demand. Even with production swings a big factor like comparing last year and this year, the supply and demand still works pretty well.

[CBOYER]

i see lots of good understanding:
The government enforces the rules the federation has.... yes
How's the federation socialist when it's run, and paid for, by the producers...Because you madatory need to be with them...
where once you're in, you're one of the good ole boys... THATS is the main problem: they want to keep the group small, easyest to give new Quotas to existing member, they are the one that votes...
how are bulk prices set here...theres is negociation between FPAQ and Major approved Buyers each year or two. Prices are set there, and i could assure you that NO ONE Usa buyers will give you their buying prices before having this information.

Anytime prices are frozen artificially the producers are not guided to properly meet future demands, in either direction. If the price is held artificially high we expand and if artificially low we hold or some even reduce

Thats not true: with 30-40M lbs in inventory at the FPAQ, avalaible at a fixed price, that is what stabilised demand. Number of taps are also stabilised in Qc at 42-43M. Variation in Usa for 2013 is +0.8M taps. as i show you before, even if 2012 was a bad year in Usa, (low supply) prices rises only by 1% due to reserve.

at an lower base, compare to petrol:

Opep decide quotas of production to maintain prices.
Usa had a Strategic reserve to prevents bad news.
Distributors (raffiners) takes the big profits...:lol:

[Amber Gold]

CBOYER, how do yo have such a good knowledge of how all this stuff works?

So once a QC producer meets their quota, do they stop producing, or do the keep producing and stockpile in case they have a bad year and don't meet their quota.

What happens if a producer doesn't meet their quota?

The strategic reserve stabilizes prices in case there are bad years, or a sudden uptake in demand. If the reserve is being used, does next year's quotas increase to refill the reserve. I'm also guessing that if the demand seems long term that the quotas (at least in part) would be permanently increased?

A few years ago, the reserve was depleted by two consecutive bad years in QC and bulk prices skyrocketed as a result. Didn't the high prices actually hurt bulk sales to the market...syrup just cost too much so food companies found alternative sugar sources? If this were to happen again, would QC buy US syrup to re-stock the reserve? US producers have increased production significantly in recent years.

From a business running standpoint, aren't there incentives for QC producers to produce more syrup from fewer taps to meet their quotas? Less of a system to buy and maintain = more profit.

[CBOYER]

CBOYER, how do yo have such a good knowledge of how all this stuff works?

So once a QC producer meets their quota, do they stop producing, or do the keep producing and stockpile in case they have a bad year and don't meet their quota.

They do as they want: stop, or continue. if they continue, they have to send their syrup to the FPAQ reserve, and will be paid only when it would be sale, after any over years Quotas. could be 4- 5 years !!!!

What happens if a producer doesn't meet their quota?

in resume, FPAQ will reduce it after 2 years (very complex to explain details)

The strategic reserve stabilizes prices in case there are bad years, or a sudden uptake in demand. If the reserve is being used, does next year's quotas increase to refill the reserve. I'm also guessing that if the demand seems long term that the quotas (at least in part) would be permanently increased?

Thats happen in 2008, and now they set a bigger reserve, they had need a bigger warehouse, start building it and rent a temporary one that cause "the theft":o

A few years ago, the reserve was depleted by two consecutive bad years in QC and bulk prices skyrocketed as a result. Didn't the high prices actually hurt bulk sales to the market...syrup just cost too much so food companies found alternative sugar sources? If this were to happen again, would QC buy US syrup to re-stock the reserve? US producers have increased production significantly in recent years.

Thats the main reason for the Reserve: Prevent Food company alternative to came on the market. someone had to assure those big customers for supply. Qc will never buy syrup from Us, since FPAQ is only an "intermediate" between Qc producers and approved buyers. If Usa increase production, it will be more competition, and price will surely go down.

From a business running standpoint, aren't there incentives for QC producers to produce more syrup from fewer taps to meet their quotas? Less of a system to buy and maintain = more profit.

Quotas are based on lbs produced, and related to a limited number of taps. they start at a base of 2.25 lbs/ taps when tuey were created. Like everyone Qc producers try to get the more syrup for less work/money.
The big difference is climate; Qc sugarbush are colder, give less but more constant.

Amber you had the goods questions !!!

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