Pumping Sap long distances

[highway]

I have a bush behind my farm and have no practical way to get to the holding tank I plan to install in the woods. Is it practical to try and pump sap 350 feet or so from the holding tank out to the road where it can be collected in the truck tank?

I was thinking a 2" trash pump and plastic 1" water line laid on the ground or tied to a wire as a means to pump it to the road. The grade is gradual up hill to the road.

This is for gravity feed tube lot with maybe 70 taps or so. Not really big enough for vacuum.

Any ideas or experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

[Mountain Winds Farm]

We pump from our 2800 gallon storage tank 300 plus feet up to the next tank using a 1/2 horsepower water pump from tractor supply. We are running it at 220/240 to keep the amp draw down. It is about a 30 foot rise from one tank to the next

[highway]

So my 2" gas trash pump would be more than sufficiant to do the job you think?

How did you get the 240 that far out in the woods?

Ed

[Walling's Maple Syrup]

We use a gas powered Honda pump from tsc. We pump back 2500' to tank by road through 1 1/4" mainline. Has to rise approx 40' in the first 400', then a 1% pitch the rest of way to road. Pumps about 25gpm on this setup. We also have another setup where we pump back 600' to main tank. This is also approx. 40' rise. We use a gas powered pump here also.

[w9dwg]

I pump about 3/4 of a mile up hill about 20 ft then under a road into my shack. I use a 1 1/2" positive displacement pump. 1500 ft of 1 1/2" plastic pipe then bump it up to 2" pipe 1000 ft to the road then 3" plastic pipe the rest of the way. It does 72 gallons of minute. I also had to put a relief valve on it so I don't blow the pipe apart. The max pressure I ever ran was 85 PSI. It works pretty good. Also, I put skived fittings where the pipe connection come togeather so that there is no restriction. At night it freezes and in the morning when I start it all the ice flies out into my tank.

[maple flats]

and I pump between 800-900' to the road, but mine is a slight rise then a 15' drop. It will siphon after the pump fills the line, but I use a 1.5" pump pulling at the road, then push 1" to the truck tank. My TF line is 1", but I plan to go to 1.25 and 1.5 before next year (I plan to use the coil remainders from my wet/dry conductors, them I will add more 1.25" as needed to finish.)

[Thompson's Tree Farm]

Highway,
The pump you have will easily pump the sap that distance through a 1 inch line. I pump sap from 3500 taps over a mile through 1 and 1/4 inch pipe. Initial rise of about 70 feet ... It can be problematic if ice is in the line as the pressures generated can split the pipe or blow connections apart but the alternative would be a longer haul through knee deep mud. 350 feet and 70 taps should be relatively easy. Put the pipe on wire with a gradual slope so you can drain it back and you won't have a freeze problem

[highway]

Are your gas pumps trash pumps or pressure pumps?

Are you running the discharge through black plastic coil water hose?

Do you tie the discharge towire like mainline?

Do you let the discharge lines gravity drain so as not to freeze?

Thanks again for all the input.

Ed

[bairdswift]

How would I get sap a distance of 200 ft and a rise of 150 ft? Sap on this bush runs away from the road down a bank below the road.

[w9dwg]

How would I get sap a distance of 200 ft and a rise of 150 ft? Sap on this bush runs away from the road down a bank below the road.
You would need a pump capable of 70 psi.

[bairdswift]

How did you come up with 70 psi?

[w9dwg]

p = 0.434 h SG

where

p = pressure (psi)

h = head (ft)

SG = specific gravity

65.1= 0.434 150 X 1

65.1 psi for head, plus friction loss in fittings and minor loss coefficients in pipes and so on. I don't have the formulas in front of me but it comes out just under 70 psi.

[325abn]

You could use a submerable water well pump.

[spud]

You could use a submerable water well pump.

That's what I am using and it works great. I bought it a Webb's for $307.00 and it is called the (Dominator). The pump is stainless and you can get it in 220 or 110. I got the 110 because the pump is 600 feet from my sugarhouse and I only needed 10 gauge wire. A float switch is only $30.00 and when I have 200 gallons in the tank it shoots it up to my big tank in the sugarhouse. The whole set-up only cost me $600.00 I pump 600 feet and about 30 feet up with this pump.

Spud