Whos king of New York?

[Rand Hill Maple]

Does anyone know whose the largest producer in New York?

[sirsapsalot]

Is this a leading question ?

[Rand Hill Maple]

i dont know

[wglenmapler]

I wonder how you want to measure? Amount produced? Average per tap? Or the sheer number of holes drilled per year?

I know you guys do a great job up there. How was your year?

[spud]

I was thinking the same thing. There is a big difference between being the King and being the biggest producer. There are 50,000 tap operations that might make only .20 Gph. Then you have someone else with 3000 taps that make .60 Gph. The .60 guy is the King as far as I'm concerned. The .20 guy is not even close to being the king. I would love to be the King in my area but for now I'm only about a nine of hearts or so.:lol:

Spud

[Rand Hill Maple]

thats very true and you have a good point, but im looking for just the most taps

[mapleack]

This thread is kind of like a 7th grader peaking left and right in the locker room. Learn everything you can about maple, make the best syrup you can and share the knowledge you gain with others. Tap counts might make us feel good but don't truly matter.

[Greenwich Maple Man]

This thread is kind of like a 7th grader peaking left and right in the locker room. Learn everything you can about maple, make the best syrup you can and share the knowledge you gain with others. Tap counts might make us feel good but don't truly matter.

Lets be honest. If any of us on here thought we might be the largest producer in our state we would want to know. Anybody who says it wouldn't matter to them, is kidding themselves. You might not dwell on it but you would want to know and would atleast ask.

[Rand Hill Maple]

very true, we respect the small producers and are here for them when they want to expand

[sirsapsalot]

Yup Looks like its you Brandy Smart. :D I am glad someone posted to this thread again, i lost it , hopefully the next time a mod is here they will move this thread to its rightful home.

[Rand Hill Maple]

*brady and what rightfull home?

[sirsapsalot]

sorry for the spelling, i think this forum is for the NY producers assoc. Don't worry a mod will move it.

[RustyBuckets]

This thread is kind of like a 7th grader peaking left and right in the locker room. Learn everything you can about maple, make the best syrup you can and share the knowledge you gain with others. Tap counts might make us feel good but don't truly matter.
Im not sure how to take this. One part of me thinks you are saying it doesnt matter just worry about your own taps and be proud. Then the other part of me thinks, is this guy nuts if tap count doesnt matter then tell me where the heck do we make our money? I sure know its made in the woods and woods are where the taps are and the more taps I have the more syrup Im going to make which in returns makes money. So yeah taps count sure matters to me lol. Now as far as the 7th grader when he is looking left and right is he not sizing up his competition and see where he hangs in the big picture? So if my neighbor is outproducing me with taps and makes more syrup and therefore its possible he is able to undersell my pricing because he has a bigger crop to cover his expense I sure want to know about his tap count and what mine needs to be at to keep in the market. I suppose if you are a hobby guy then who gives a crap. And yeah why is this thread in the NY producers associations section.

[mapleack]

I was just saying tap count isn't everything and doesn't tell the true story, and isn't something to brag about. A 10,000 tap producer might make a qt per tap and a 5,000 tap producer might make a half gallon per tap. Same amount of syrup, which producer is more impressive? There are just too many variables to get hung up on tap numbers. I've tasted med A syrup made at 10,000 tap bushes that was crap and med A syrup from 50 tap bushes that was some of the best I've ever had, and vice versa.

[Jeff E]

Outsider looking in-40,000 tap is the biggest so far. Might as well ask, what is a good syrup year for you Brady (syrup/tap)

I have a moderate size, young sugar bush, and am constantly looking at ways to improve the sugar bush. A lot of tree work that I will probably never see the real reward for. But thats ok. I love it.
So if I get my season average of 1.8% sugar to 2.3 in the next 10 years, I will feel like a king. Thats good enough for me. And I know I buy sap from a guy who goes out behind his house to a bunch of trees he has never done a thing to, regarding managing for sugar, and he pulls seasonal average of 3.3. That doesnt say a thing about him, other that he has the gumption to go get it.

I still like hearing about the big operations, like some Canuk with a 300,000 on high vac system with 12" water mains running his sap into his sugaring complex....LOVE IT!

[Rand Hill Maple]

a good year? prob 10000 to 11000 gal. but all this stuff about the syrup ratio being greater from each tree in a small bush compared to a large bush. yeah good for who own the small bush, but it depends on the climate of that bush and where it is. so when you have a large producer maybe they arent getting the same gpt but they may have bushes who get the same or better then the guy whos smaller then them.

[wglenmapler]

Brady, do you mind telling what you made this year? I'm more curious from a standpoing of knowing the state's general concensus of production. We have several friends up in your area that didn't have a good season. We had an acceptable season here in central ny as long as you got started early with tapping. I know I've never made so much early syrup, but the middle was the end.

I do know your dad and uncle and have been up to your place several times as your facility has grown and improved over the years.

Thanks

[Rand Hill Maple]

i cant give out the exact figures b.c they dont want me to but between 8000 and 9000 like i said it was alright of a season, could have been better and could have been worse.

[sirsapsalot]

so you got between 2. and .22 gallons per tap.

[Rand Hill Maple]

sure if you want to be technical

[MillbrookMaple]

I found this thread today and was wondering if this question was ever answered. The largest Producer I ever met was Parker Family Maple in West Chazy. I bought a used RO from them a few years ago and was impressed with their opperation when I picked it up. I don't know if they are the largest at around 40000 taps but they are huge compaired to me.

[AdirondackSap]

Crown Maple in Dutchess county is up to 60000 taps now they claim 30000 on website

[220 maple]

It seems to me that this has been discussed before, at that time Crown Maple was boasting about being the largest producer in New York State, producer to them meant the most taps! If they truely have 60000 taps they probably are in first place for now in New York.

Mark 220 Maple

[delivron]

At some point Crown will have to be King of the Hill how else do the support a sugar house that looks like this?
5958

I would expect between 50,000 and 60,000 for 2013 season.

[rchase]

thats a sugar house? looks like a mansion.

[220 maple]

I bet that's Sen. Chucks guest house when he visits? My picture is not the best, it looks like it's a brick structure.

Mark 220 maple

[Michael Greer]

I don't know about New York, but my 250 buckets make me the king of the Village of Potsdam...

[Homestead Maple]

" how else do the support a sugar house that looks like this"?
5958



I would expect between 50,000 and 60,000 for 2013 season.

When you manage billions of dollars for others on Wall Street, it's just a 'right off' I'm sure. His disposable income or play money. When you sell a quart of syrup for $42.00 you could build one of these too.

[calvertbrothers]

I know of a guy in Wethersfield NY that's know to be the biggest in New York state. All I know is his first name witch is Gordy. I was told that he's pushing over 80,000 taps. And that was 3 years ago

[mudr]

I am about to drill my first 40 taps, but I'm a hair over 6 ft 4. I may be the biggest. ;)

[jimsudz]

Gordy Putmun is no where near 80,000, maybe 20,000.