What is this DNR shooting livestock thing all about???

[red maples]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/michigan-unleashes-armed-raids-on-small-pig-farmers-forces-farmer-to-shoot-all-his-pigs.html

What the.....?????

[Thompson's Tree Farm]

Don't fly off the handle yet. I read about this several months ago. There were several farmers that were raising a cross bred wild boar and then selling them for people to hunt. Might be ok but they are let loose and not always shot. Feral pigs are becoming a bigger and bigger problem and these pigs that got away were compounding the problem. The farmers were ordered by the court to get rid of the "exotic" breed of pig within six months. Apparently they refused to comply. My Grandfather was "ordered" to get rid of his cows in the mid 20's because they had positive TB tests. If he had not complied, the animals would have been destroyed. It was not a problem of an agency run a muck. It was simply trying to achieve a public good. The story printed is very obviously only half the truth. Any stories from whatever side that obviously are presenting only a portion of the facts should be greeted with a great deal of skepticism.

[Thad Blaisdell]

The only thing I noticed was that it was to begin on April 1st...... aka April Fools.

[DonMcJr]

I don't know if they actually went and shot Farmers Pigs but that artical's picture was normal Pigs...they are talking about Wild Boar raised for Hunting Enclosures where you pay hundreds of dollars to shoot animals in a fenced in area...not very sporting in my opinion.

Some of these Wild Boars got loose and are starting a wild population and Michigan doesn't want them. To in an effort to stop them from reproducing in the wild if they get out of these Hunting Enclosures the state said get rid of them and none are alowwed in the state.

Here's the real info right from our State Website...

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10370_12145_55230---,00.html

[red maples]

ah that makes more sense...yes I know wild boars are a huge problem I was rading an article on them just reciently. thanks for the clarification!!!

[Butcher]

Dont believe everything u read especially if its the dnr,they have no problem lying,even in the court of law. They will do whatever it takes to satisfy there agenda,they pretty much make the rules up as they see fit . I know this first hand.

[sirsapsalot]

Dont believe everything u read especially if its the dnr,they have no problem lying,even in the court of law. They will do whatever it takes to satisfy there agenda,they pretty much make the rules up as they see fit . I know this first hand.

Please explain.

[Butcher]

I dont wish to go into detail,but im not gonna lie and say that they are always legit in the things they do.it would take me many hours of typing to explain. Im not saying they are all bad but there is always rotten apples in the bunch.

[lpakiz]

We had this incident here a few years ago.
Below is an explanation of what happened. The one Amish farmer is about 3 miles from here. The wild hogs spread the psuedorabies virus to the domestic herd. Yes, they had to destroy all the domestic pigs on 2 farms.

Or you can Google "Feral Hogs Wisconsin" and read more.



Feral pigs have now been sighted in more than 30 Wisconsin counties. A pseudorabies outbreak in Clark County last year was traced to wild pigs fraternizing with two domestic herds. Fortunately for Wisconsin swine producers, the outbreak was contained, and the state did not lose its pseudorabies free status, which would have required expensive testing of every pig leaving the state.

Just how many wild pigs are snorting around Wisconsin is unknown, but the Department of Natural Resources says it’s likely hundreds.

They have been called disease factories because they carry 13 maladies that can infect native species and domestic livestock. Each fall the DNR has issued a plea to hunters to shoot the wild pigs — no license is needed — and federal officials trapped and euthanized two dozen in January with plans to do so again this winter.

[DonMcJr]

Here's today's Official Press Release on the Michigan Swine Issue...

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
April 18, 2012

Contact: Ed Golder, 517-335-3014

Voluntary inspections continue to protect Michigan farms,
natural resources against invasive swine

On April 17 and 18, 2012, the Michigan Department of Natural Resources (DNR) conducted six inspections of properties that in the past may have possessed swine that are prohibited in Michigan. The compliance inspections were conducted with the full consent of the property owners. Each of the properties was found to be free of prohibited swine.

The inspections were the most recent action taken by the DNR to enforce a December 2010 Invasive Species Order declaring a particular species of swine prohibited in Michigan. To date the department has conducted a total of 18 voluntary compliance inspections to enforce the Invasive Species Order. All the inspections were conducted on game ranches and breeding facilities.

In addition, the DNR conducted an inspection with a court-issued administrative search warrant at Deer Tracks Ranch in Fife Lake, Michigan. No prohibited swine were found at Deer Tracks Ranch. Also, the DNR filed a civil complaint against the Renegade Ranch Hunting Preserve in Cheboygan County seeking the depopulation of prohibited swine on that property.

“Michigan residents know what can happen when an invasive species becomes established and grows. The Great Lakes offer convincing evidence of the terrible impact non-native organisms have on natural resources,” said DNR Director Rodney Stokes.

“The Invasive Species Order is an attempt to stop this latest invader before it devastates Michigan’s second largest industry, agriculture, and does significant damage to Michigan’s wildlife habitat and environment.”

The 2010 Invasive Species Order was put in place by the DNR director as mandated by state law. Part 413 of the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act requires the department to list a species as invasive if the organism is non-native, not naturalized, and “has the potential to harm human health or to harm natural, agricultural, or silvicultural resources.”

The Invasive Species Order applies to wild boar, wild hog, wild swine, feral pig, feral hog, feral swine, Old world swine, razorback, eurasian wild boar, Russian wild boar (Sus scrofa Linnaeus). The order does not apply to domestic swine, Sus domestica, in domestic hog production. A December 2011 declaratory ruling from the DNR details the physical characteristics used to identify prohibited swine.

The order went into effect Oct. 8, 2011. In order to give those in possession of prohibited swine every opportunity to come into compliance with the law, the department delayed enforcement of the order for an additional six months, until April 1, 2012.

“The department remains committed to enforcing the law while minimizing the impact on property owners,” said Stokes. “We will continue to work cooperatively with facility owners wherever we can to help them comply with the law.”

Those facilities, farms or individuals still in possession of prohibited swine are in violation of the law and could face criminal or civil penalties under Part 413 of the state’s Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act.

More information about the Invasive Species Order and the problem of invasive swine in Michigan and across the country can be found at www.michigan.gov/feralswine.

The Michigan Department of Natural Resources is committed to the conservation, protection, management, use and enjoyment of the state's natural and cultural resources for current and future generations. For more information, go to www.michigan.gov/dnr.

[fishman]

Butcher get your facts straight. You probably got a ticket for something and now everything the DNR does is wrong. The DNR has NOT shot any pigs. That has been left up to the hog farmers to depopulate their operations. It was also an act of the legislature that banned the hog farms, the DNR gets the job of enforcing it when it should be the FDA. Whith the threat that these hog farms pose to the environment, getting rid of the few that exist and the relatively small economic value they possess is the prudent thing to do. I don't wan't my future opportunities to hunt threatened by a few (less than 200) so called businessmen. There were some Eurasian boars that escaped near Lanse (in the western UP) a few years back and they survived a winter in an area that gets over 200" of snow a year. Took years to get all of them. No one has the right to endanger the resources of the entire state just so they can make a few bucks.

[Butcher]

Fishman, why dont u get your facts straight, u dont know me or anything about me . I never stated anything that wasnt factual according to my situation and personal opinion, and last I checked I am entitled to my own opinion. I said nothing about wild pigs in my statement, if u have a problem with freedom of speech then maybe u should move to a place where u cant speak ur mind.

[red maples]

easy easy guys....this is a weird thing that is happening here. we all don't wanna loose our guns or hunting privilages...we are getting in to governmental issues here which we all agreed we wouldn't get into even though it may effect us all. Yes the FDA should be enforceing this I agree. So lighten up and be easy on each other no wars here please......

These strain of ferrel hogs wild boars what ever from what I have been reading are extremely destructive with no real natural preditors breeding several times of year etc. They are causing havoc in many parts of the US. I agree these things should be erradicated. If we had a natural preditor to control them then fine but we do not. WouldI like to hunt them maybe...but not in NH I don't want that destruction here. Wild is wild....even if its recessive. this is why in NH anyway you can't own dog (usually husky or malamute) wolf hybrids. although I believe there has never been an attack on a human by a wolf(could be wrong) but they can tend to be runners and kill live stock as do dogs I know but its a touchy subject I know.

so lets please agree to have a "nice" Debate and respect each others opinions and or facts.

[markcasper]

Need to check the following article out: http://www.foodrenegade.com/michigan-orders-slaughter-of-all-heritage-breed-pigs/

[Butcher]

That is exactly what im talkin about. its all about money.

[KenWP]

I used to raise wild boars and crossbreds for the hunting market and a niche Japan market. You have to daily inspect all fences and if you don't have to do repairs at least once something is haywire.They spend half their time eating and the rest either sleeping or trying to get out.Couple of different times the neighbours got to have a pig shoot as the pigs got out the first couple of days after arrival and wandered off.
There was not a blade of grass or weed grew in any of the pens and they looked like a bomb zone soon after the pigs were put in them. One pen had a pond and it was hard to catch them in there as they just swam across the water instead of going around.
I have pictures of a sow even feeding babies in a nest outside in a snow bank and they all lived and grew into big pigs.They are very hardy and will eat anything including meat. As a kid the old guy I used to work for bought old horses for a couple of bucks and fed them to the pigs. Sickest thing I ever had to do almost.
I would never raise them again after that experiment except inside where I can control everything and not spend my life keeping them from not escaping.