Vac setup

[MainelyMaple]

Here is my first vac setup....does anybody see any red flags from the pics? anything that might not work? Any feedback would be great thanks. sorry for the poor quality, cell phone pics


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[Haynes Forest Products]

Looks as though you dont trust your gluing skills. I would get a section of flex hose/pipe. I think vibration will cause something to fail.

[BradWilson]

If that oiler is the old electric kind get rid of it ASAP. They are a huge pain in the a$$. Get the old school drippers like I just did until you can upgrade.

[markct]

i hope the exhaust which of course contains oil mist isnt vented into that room if its the same room that those sap tanks are in, dont want that getting into the sap

[Brent]

And the fumes from the genset

[Haynes Forest Products]

You know its cold when it snows in the bldg. I would get all equipment that has fumes out of the building.

[MainelyMaple]

i guess the pics are a little misleading. the vac is in a separate building then the tanks. its a small one room cabin that sits 40-50' from the sugar house (which is where the tanks and releaser are.)all the glass is busted in all the windows so plenty of ventilation. thats why some snow blew in during the storm yesterday

[MainelyMaple]

If that oiler is the old electric kind get rid of it ASAP. They are a huge pain in the a$$. Get the old school drippers like I just did until you can upgrade.


What kinds of problems did you run into? and where might I find one of the old school drippers?

[BradWilson]

The concentric knob that's supposed to spin....didn't. It usually got hung up on the pieces that lifted the plungers. Sometimes the pump got no oil and sometimes it drained the resivoir within hours cause it was stuck wide open. I got mine from the local dairy supplier but I've seen the same ones at www.oilrite.com. The dripper, adapter/fittings, T, tubing and shipping was 147.00. The 5 gals pail of vac oil was 45.00. It's a remote operation and eventho it's still a total loss system I feel WAY more comfortable now. With a little help from Haynes and some Yankee inginuity I'll have a fan cooled, reclaimer for next year.

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[MainelyMaple]

I ran the pump for the first time today and was getting 20" at the releaser and 17" in the woods. my question is how can i cool this pump down a little better? after about an hour it was running wicked hot, I spit on it and it sizzled. plus there was a little smoke from i'm assuming oil burning off? Would a fan blowing on the motor help disperse the heat enough to make a difference? any other suggestions would be great thanks

[wdchuck]

It's been my experience that dairy vac pumps just dont do very well with levels above17" of mercury. They're just not capable of it with the system you have- flood works much better.

[Haynes Forest Products]

Brad I have a cast iron pulley and I went to HD and got a piece of flashing and spot welded a piece on each spoke of the pulley turning it into a fan. It worked great to get air running over the pump. BUT you can only get so much heat transfer from air running over thick cast iron. If you have power a small high speed fan will help. A box fan is hard to get right up close. Im of the opinion you need more oil flowing into the intake. Oil splashing around in the parts that are creating the heat will greatly reduce the heat because liquids can remove the heat more efficently. Thats why Water cooled engines lasted longer than air cooled VWs YUP I know I had about 20 of them over the years. They all burned the number 3 valves because of not getting cool air:mad:

[MainelyMaple]

So if we kept it well oiled and put a fan right on it what is the highest you would run the pump at?

[Haynes Forest Products]

What is welled oiled. I have a constant flow of oil from the tank into the Bearings and all the oil from the reclaimer gets sucked into the intake. I have no way of knowing how much oil is flowing but its constant. If I close the valve from the reclaimer I get 1 1/2 more HGs and if I take the top off the reclaimer when its all warm and running I can see a small steady supply of oil that drains back into the pump from the reclaimed oil. Do you have a way of measuring the amount getting suck back into the pump.

[MainelyMaple]

Does anyone know what the highest HGs I should run this pump at? I understand its only rated for 12-15" in the dairy industry but if a fan was blowing air directly on the pump could i run it a little higher maybe 17-18"? Anyone with experience with this? thanks

[venus_amos]

I've modified a massport M2/3hp as flood/oil cooled system. Work fine at 24 in.Hg.

[Haynes Forest Products]

Venus THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT Now lets get some pics up and see how you did it. A fan cant absorb enough heat from the large cast pump. It will help but is a secondary solution.

[ennismaple]

Our Sp-22's will pull 20" Hg all season long. The DeLavals smoke and eat a lot of oil at 18" Hg.

[venus_amos]

@Haynes, I'll take photo today on VP78 with kubota diesel engine. I use the same method whatever pump model.

[Brokermike]

I really would like to see an M2 setup that goes like that. I'd be thrilled to run mine anywhere close to 24"

[wdchuck]

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Does anyone know what the highest HGs I should run this pump at? I understand its only rated for 12-15" in the dairy industry but if a fan was blowing air directly on the pump could i run it a little higher maybe 17-18"? Anyone with experience with this? thanks

Up until this season, I've run a Surge alamo for probably 10 years with a similar set up as yours. 17" is all I would confidently run it at without some serious overheating.

[wdchuck]

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Does anyone know what the highest HGs I should run this pump at? I understand its only rated for 12-15" in the dairy industry but if a fan was blowing air directly on the pump could i run it a little higher maybe 17-18"? Anyone with experience with this? thanks

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Up until this season, I've run a Surge alamo for probably 10 years with a similar set up as yours. 17" is all I would confidently run mine at without some serious overheating.[/

[Haynes Forest Products]

Brokermike Check out my Photo bucket and you will see the beast I have. I can get better pic tonight Its in The garage for a few welds.

[venus_amos]

Some pics of last VP78 I've done...

Note : only one oil port (plugs on bearings inlet), oil regulator : allen screw drilled 1/16" inside brass fitting. Pump outlet is connected to a reclaimer with oil filter + a mist reclaimer on top.

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[Brokermike]

perhaps I just need more horsepower. My m2 is running on a 1/2 hp pump and under load it is running a little slow. Do you think bumping this up will help or am I thinking incorrectly?

[venus_amos]

Brokermike

The Massport M2 I've modified is a 1988 model. It was equipped with a 3hp. Pulley on motor was 3.75", pulley on pump was 6". That give 1075 rpm on pump.

[3rdgen.maple]

perhaps I just need more horsepower. My m2 is running on a 1/2 hp pump and under load it is running a little slow. Do you think bumping this up will help or am I thinking incorrectly?

Get a bigger motor. It will run more effecient and not cost so much on electricity if your motor isnt under stress and pulling high amps to run. I run a 2 hp on my gast 1550 and it works really well.